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The Teaching Chapter 4 Deuteronomy 10 Deuteronomy 28 Psalms 119 1 Chronicles 28 Proverbs 2 Proverbs 28 2 Thessalonians 3 1 John 4 Romans 4

The Didache Chapter 4 Isaiah 32 Proverbs 14 Ezekiel 14 Matthew 23 Matthew 15 Remember to practice what you preach. James 3 Revelation 12 1 Timothy 4 We all have our personal battles in our earthly life. Some fall to natural anger against our Lord. Others take up their own personal cross knowing that endurance in suffering will lead to salvation. 1 Peter 1

The Didache Chapter 4 Today's world has mostly eradicated the institutions of slavery and debt bondage. We now have a not so perfect a wage based system that ranges from union based employees to sweat shop workers. The names may have changed, but everyone still has the same Master in Heaven who judges equally according to our free will to follow or transgress His commands. Executives, small business owners, and those with power over others should pay attention to the passages directed to masters. Employees, servants, and those that follow orders should pay attention passages directed to slaves and bondservants. Colossians 3 We must respect authority and petition problems in the proper manner. 1 Peter 2 1 Timothy 6 Ephesians 6 Matthew 24 Daniel 1 Ephesians 6 James 5 Deuteronomy 23

The Teaching of the 12 Apostles Chapter 4 1 Corinthians 15 1 Peter 1 Luke 8 John 3 Matthew 19 Psalms 34 Revelation 14 Luke 12 Revelation 21 Fear God and a lake of fire will not be your fate.

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The Teaching of the 12 Apostles Chapter 4 Give what is at your disposal to help atone for your transgressions against God. For our Father knows the root of all our intentions. Job 35 Proverbs 28 Hebrews 10 Hebrews 11 Acts 3 Matthew 6 Matthew 10 Matthew 25 Luke 6 This post is dedicated to my life-long friend, Alan Greenstreet and his wife Becky. May the Holy Spirit bless their ministry.

Sorry, but you failed to answer why the Hadith states otherwise. "And Gabriel (Angel), the Apostle of Allah (Mohammed) is among us, and the Holy Spirit (Allah) who has no match." You might want to speak with your scholars with this. None of verses cited above or in the Quran identify the Holy Spirit of God as Gabriel. Keep searching and hopefully you will find the answer. I wonder when the tradition of believing Gabriel was the Holy Spirit of Allah (God) started. Surat 'Āli `Imrān (Family of Imran) It is easy to see that Mohammed confirmed that the Holy Spirit of Allah is not Gabriel. Gabriel is a messenger of God. Luke 1 Genesis 2 You need to understand what is the breath of life. Let's first deduct what something of His spirit means. If it is part of Allah (God), then it has to be Holy. There is no way you can disagree. Allah (God) gave the gift of His Holy Spirit to Adam. Surat As-Sajdah (The Prostration) This verse is even more powerful. Allah (God) told Gabriel and all the angels through the power of His Holy Spirit. Surat Al-Ĥijr (The Rocky Tract) Rauch Elohim is the Holy Spirit of God (Allah). Luke 1 Jesus conception was only possible by Rauch Elohim (Holy Spirit of Allah) by His Supreme power. Gabriel's only authority was that of a messenger, not the creator of Jesus Christ. Hopefully this will clear up your confusion. Surat Al-'Anbyā' (The Prophets) I have shown you through your own Hadith and Quran that Allah mentioned to Mohammed and Gabriel the power of His Holy Spirit. Your rebuttal did not refute anything. Stating Gabriel is the Holy Spirit of Allah is wrong and has no support. Surat 'Āli `Imrān (Family of Imran)

Would not be calling Gabriel the Holy Spirit of God be blasphemy? Your very own Hadith states very clearly Gabriel is NOT the Holy Spirit. Genesis 2 I am pretty sure Moses wrote Genesis. And a thousand plus years later Gabriel confirms the story to Mohammed. Surat Al-Ĥijr (The Rocky Tract) http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihmuslim/159-Sahih%20Muslim%20Book%2031.%20The%20Merits%20Of%20The%20Companions%20(PBUT)%20Of%20The%20Holy%20Prophet%20(PBUH)/14309-sahih-muslim-book-031-hadith-number-6081.html Sahih Muslim Book 031, Hadith Number 6081. Sahih Muslim Book 31. The Merits Of The Companions (PBUT) Of The Holy Prophet (PBUH) Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem Chapter : The merits of Hassan b. Thabit (Allah be pleased with him). Correct me if I am wrong, the narrator of the above Hadith (Story) was Mohammed's wife, Aisha. Ennin you wrote: As I would agree Gabriel Pbuh is NO MATCH for the Holy Spirit. It is the power of the Holy Spirit of Allah that protects Gabriel and us. Further, it is clear in my belief that the Holy Spirit is a name used for respect and glorification of the will of God (Allah). Just as we are distinct, but part of God's creation; the eternal will of Allah (God) is a distinct aspect of God (Allah). The difference is that the spiritual aspect of our free will begins and may or may not end depending on the will of God (Allah). From reading the Hadith which Aisha states directly that Allah (God) Gabriel, The Apostle and the Holy Spirit are seperate. I am in no way a an Islamic religious or legal scholar but those that state the Gabriel is the Holy Spirit may fall under Rubūbīyah and/or Shirke-e-Asghar if this is not cleared up. I hope you find wisdom to answer this. I am sorry to put you under this, but name calling God fearing Christians is wrong. In Spirit baptism the Holy Spirit of God (Allah's) baptizes His chosen believerd into His family of Christ, Angels, Prophets and Saints. 1 Corinthians 12

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I think you might want to consider not using the word infidel. Both early Christians and Muslims use it to mean 'one without faith.' Infidel is no longer used to describe "nonbeliever" in the West, so many people take it as offensive. Like if a Jewish person was to call you or I a "goyim." Or you calling a Jewish person a "kafir." Many people that do not know that your understanding of Infidel, so they think it to be derogatory (ie. pig, dog, cursive, etc..) so the sentence 1 - Islam, Hajj is not obligatory on the infidel. might be considered 1 - Islam, Hajj is not obligatory on the dog [attempting to use non cursive language]. If I may suggest atheist and agnostic, which are more descriptive, mean the same thing, and are clearly understood terms by Western English speaking non-believers. Thus the sentence becomes 1 - Islam, Hajj is not obligatory for atheist and agnostics. The same can be misunderstood with Jihad in the way of Allah Many Western English speaking persons would consider the above sentence mean War or Terror in the way of Allah. Correct me if I am wrong, the meaning of this is to be understood is: Striving in the way of God A popular term that understood is Righteous. If I were to say to you. Ennin you are a righteous man striving in the way of Allah. I hope that you incur many blessings during Hajj. I do not think you would be offended. Words can mean so many things to so many people. Especially if they are just read by those who do not understand context to what is being written. I only suggest this if your intention is gain understanding and possibly conversion of those who are not Muslims. Peace be with you.

Ennin, I believe you might want to reconsider your notion that the "Holy Spirit refers to the Angel Jibreel(Gabriel)." In this Hadith which you believe in, Allah (God) says And Gabriel, the Apostle of Allah is among us, and the Holy Spirit who has no match. This shows Gabriel is not Allah or the Holy Spirit. http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihmuslim/159-Sahih%20Muslim%20Book%2031.%20The%20Merits%20Of%20The%20Companions%20(PBUT)%20Of%20The%20Holy%20Prophet%20(PBUH)/14309-sahih-muslim-book-031-hadith-number-6081.html Sahih Muslim Book 031, Hadith Number 6081. Sahih Muslim Book 31. The Merits Of The Companions (PBUT) Of The Holy Prophet (PBUH) Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem Chapter : The merits of Hassan b. Thabit (Allah be pleased with him). I definitely believe the Holy Spirit has no match. For no one has power over Yahweh. And just as Hashem has given Authority to his Angels and Prophets. Through the creative power of the Holy Spirit of God (Allah) the greatest Authority was bestowed on Jesus Christ. Gabriel Pbuh does not have that power. He is a messenger. The Holy Spirit of God (Allah) is the bringer of Life. Genesis 1 John 6 John 7 In my faith there is one unforgivable sin, "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit." God has given me no authority to be a judge, so you calling Gabriel His Holy Spirit, may or may not considered blasphemy. I also know that I asked you for an answer to that question. I pretty much knew if you responded that you would state that Gabriel is the Holy Spirit. I believe you answered with good intentions. I ask your forgiveness Ennin for putting you in this position. I am truly sorry. But, I also want you to realize from my view associating some lesser being (Gabriel) with Allah (God) is wrong. Only the Holy Spirit of God (Allah) can create. Just like the human body as voluntary and involuntary system function. I see God (Allah) has created His own voluntary and involuntary system to do His will. I can either help or harm my system. Through science and revelation I can possibly predict what will happen to me and others. The difference is God (Allah) has complete control over his system (His creation) and knows the outcome. Through power of the Holy Spirit in Jesus name I can ask for God's Mercy. That is power of the Covenant with Jesus. I believe that God has made a Covenant with the Jewish Faith. It is very long and well organized. I am committed to understanding whether or not God (Allah) has made a Covenant with the Islamic Faith. You may not believe in Jesus the way I do. But, I am hoping that when you read this text Ennin that you will see that maybe, just maybe, we are in the same view that the Holy Spirit is God (Allah). I will do my best to convince you that you cannot associate Gabriel with the power of the Holy Spirit of God (Allah). Surat Fāţir (Originator) Genesis 14 Genesis 3 Acts 17 As-salam alaykum Peace be upon you.

Ennin you wrote: I would like to understand your Christian background. I am the son of a Deacon in the Catholic Church here in America. While looking browsing the Hadith looking for accounts of Mohammed being poisoned. I have found many things that are would drastically deviate from my faith and culture. Do you believe in all the decrees listed in the Hadith? While finding out the woman you married had sex and got pregnant would upset any normal man; the idea of beating her after the fact seems brutal in my culture. I imagine the woman thinking that she will be beaten after she goes to the pain of delivery. Then there can be no inquiry, by anyone to the reason the wife was beaten. What if the woman truly did not wrong. Then the child will suffer slavery for something that was the fault of another. Just does not seem fair. The Virgin Mary could have been beaten and Jesus sold into slavery. http://www.hadithcollection.com/abudawud/237-Abu%20Dawud%20Book%2005.%20Marriage/16369-abu-dawud-book-005-hadith-number-2126.html Abu Dawud Book 005, Hadith Number 2126. Abu Dawud Book 05. Marriage Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem Chapter : Not known. http://www.hadithcollection.com/abudawud/237-Abu%20Dawud%20Book%2005.%20Marriage/16362-abu-dawud-book-005-hadith-number-2141.html Abu Dawud Book 005, Hadith Number 2141. Abu Dawud Book 05. Marriage Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem Chapter : Not known. http://www.hadithcollection.com/abudawud/237-Abu%20Dawud%20Book%2005.%20Marriage/16361-abu-dawud-book-005-hadith-number-2142.html Abu Dawud Book 005, Hadith Number 2142. Abu Dawud Book 05. Marriage Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem Chapter : Not known. http://www.hadithcollection.com/abudawud/237-Abu%20Dawud%20Book%2005.%20Marriage/16359-abu-dawud-book-005-hadith-number-2153.html Abu Dawud Book 005, Hadith Number 2153. Abu Dawud Book 05. Marriage Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem Chapter : Not known. http://www.hadithcollection.com/abudawud/237-Abu%20Dawud%20Book%2005.%20Marriage/16358-abu-dawud-book-005-hadith-number-2155.html Abu Dawud Book 005, Hadith Number 2155. Abu Dawud Book 05. Marriage Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem Chapter : Not known. http://www.hadithcollection.com/abudawud/237-Abu%20Dawud%20Book%2005.%20Marriage/16356-abu-dawud-book-005-hadith-number-2159.html Abu Dawud Book 005, Hadith Number 2159. Abu Dawud Book 05. Marriage Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem Chapter : Not known. In my faith Jesus educated women like the men on how to enter the Kingdom of God. John 4 Ennin you wrote: Holy Spirit derives from the Hebrew name רוח אלוהים Rauch Elohim meaning "spirit, wind, soul, ghost, mind of God". Even Jews believe that The Spirit of God (Allah) is Yahweh Himself. Gabriel drives from the Hebrew name גַבְרִיאֵל (Gavri'el) meaning "strong man of God". جبريل Jibreel is Arabic name for the "angel of revelation." Muslims believe Jibreel is Gabriel to the Christians and Jews. And if Ennin is correct Jibreel is also the Holy Spirit of God (Allah). If Allah is the Lord of Angels and Spirits. And Gabriel is both and Angel and the Holy Spirit of Allah. Then does that make Gabriel Lord of Angels and Spirits? I believe Gabriel is an Angel and NOT the Holy Spirit. http://www.hadithcollection.com/fiqh-ussunnah/336-Fiqh-us%20Sunnah%20Section%2013.%20The%20Witr%20Prayer/20931-fiqh-us-sunnah-volume-002-supererogatory-prayer-fiqh-2017.html Fiqh-us-Sunnah Volume 002, Supererogatory Prayer, Fiqh 2.017. Fiqh-us Sunnah Section 13. The Witr Prayer Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem Section : Supplications after the witr.

Wow. You have written a tremendous amount. It will take time to fully understand what you have written. I too want to separate the truth from that of wishful thinking that defines God (Allah) and His creation. I am going to start at the beginning. Ennin you wrote: What about the 'Nation of Islam' here in the United States? http://www.noi.org Do you consider Abdullah ibn Mas'ud, Abu Hurairah, Anas bin Malik, Abdullah, and Aisha credible witnesses to the life of Mohammed? I do not want to go off too much of a tangent, but reading some of the Hadiths do not seem very practical in American culture. I only mention it, because you stated that the hard rules of Christianity were not practical. Do you also believe that if a Muslim converts to another religion, that Muslim should be killed? I wonder if this edict was made to stop Mohammed's soldiers from deserting. Just like we consider people that defect to the other side as traitors to our country. What is illegal sexual intercourse? http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/116-Sahih%20Bukhari%20Book%2083.%20Blood%20Money%20(Ad-Diyat)/6523-sahih-bukhari-volume-009-book-083-hadith-number-017.html Sahih Bukhari Volume 009, Book 083, Hadith Number 017. Sahih Bukhari Book 83. Blood Money (Ad-Diyat) Print Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem I did not realize Mohammed spilled blood. That would make him less like Moses and Jesus. Mohammed seems more like King David in this sense. But, Prophets share some aspects of other Prophets. Would you agree? http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/116-Sahih%20Bukhari%20Book%2083.%20Blood%20Money%20(Ad-Diyat)/6513-sahih-bukhari-volume-009-book-083-hadith-number-024.html Sahih Bukhari Volume 009, Book 083, Hadith Number 024. Sahih Bukhari Book 83. Blood Money (Ad-Diyat) Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/116-Sahih%20Bukhari%20Book%2083.%20Blood%20Money%20(Ad-Diyat)/6508-sahih-bukhari-volume-009-book-083-hadith-number-027.html Mohammed appears to have a warriors code of conduct. Ironically King David sinned when he spied on Bathsheba bathing. Sahih Bukhari Volume 009, Book 083, Hadith Number 027. Sahih Bukhari Book 83. Blood Money (Ad-Diyat) Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem Narrated By Yahya : http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/116-Sahih%20Bukhari%20Book%2083.%20Blood%20Money%20(Ad-Diyat)/6498-sahih-bukhari-volume-009-book-083-hadith-number-032.html Sahih Bukhari Volume 009, Book 083, Hadith Number 032. Sahih Bukhari Book 83. Blood Money (Ad-Diyat) Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/116-Sahih%20Bukhari%20Book%2083.%20Blood%20Money%20(Ad-Diyat)/6489-sahih-bukhari-volume-009-book-083-hadith-number-038b.html Sahih Bukhari Volume 009, Book 083, Hadith Number 038B. Sahih Bukhari Book 83. Blood Money (Ad-Diyat) Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem It is interesting to see read that Mohammed said not to give him preference over other prophets. Because he does not know who will be the first to awake during resurrection. This begs the question if Jesus is awake then he is the first among prophets. If he died and was awakened, then he is the first among prophets. I wonder why some Muslims say he was the greatest? http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/116-Sahih%20Bukhari%20Book%2083.%20Blood%20Money%20(Ad-Diyat)/6373-sahih-bukhari-volume-009-book-083-hadith-number-052.html Sahih Bukhari Volume 009, Book 083, Hadith Number 052. Sahih Bukhari Book 83. Blood Money (Ad-Diyat) Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem This would have been well received by American Southern slave masters who made conjugal visits with their property. But, it has no place in today's world of Civil Rights. Those who are branded slaves experience joy and sorrow. Did Mohammed consider slaves to have a soul? I personally believe slavery to be the will of Satan that effects all people of all faiths. http://youtu.be/JkI0DLRUtSM Abu Dawud Book 005, Hadith Number 2059. Abu Dawud Book 05. Marriage Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem Chapter : Not known. http://www.hadithcollection.com/abudawud/237-Abu%20Dawud%20Book%2005.%20Marriage/16442-abu-dawud-book-005-hadith-number-2073.html Abu Dawud Book 005, Hadith Number 2073. Abu Dawud Book 05. Marriage Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem Chapter : Not known. In no way would this be considered practical for today's modern woman. http://www.hadithcollection.com/abudawud/237-Abu%20Dawud%20Book%2005.%20Marriage/16439-abu-dawud-book-005-hadith-number-2078.html Abu Dawud Book 005, Hadith Number 2078. Abu Dawud Book 05. Marriage Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem Chapter : Not known.

This is what I have so far. Mohammed may have died at the age of 63. He may have been poisoned from a list of suspects. Using the Hadith I am finding a list of witness accounts. Anas bin Malik ibn Nadar al-Khazraji Al-Ansari was a well-known sahabi (companion) of the Islamic prophet Muhammad believed Allah's messenger was poisoned from a sheep. http://www.hadithcollection.com/abudawud/253-Abu%20Dawud%20Book%2021.%20Food/18147-abu-dawud-book-021-hadith-number-3771.html Abu Dawud Book 021, Hadith Number 3771. Abu Dawud Book 21. Food Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem Chapter : Not known. http://www.hadithcollection.com/abudawud/253-Abu%20Dawud%20Book%2021.%20Food/18146-abu-dawud-book-021-hadith-number-3772.html Abu Dawud Book 021, Hadith Number 3772. Abu Dawud Book 21. Food Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem Chapter : Not known. http://hadithcollection.com/abudawud/266-Abu%20Dawud%20Book%2034.%20Types%20Of%20Blood-Wit/18368-abu-dawud-book-034-hadith-number-4494.html Abu Dawud Book 034, Hadith Number 4494. Abu Dawud Book 34. Types Of Blood-Wit Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem Chapter : If a man gives another poison to drink or eat will retaliation be taken on him or not. http://sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_3_47.php Volume 3, Book 47, Number 786 : http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihmuslim/154-Sahih%20Muslim%20Book%2026.%20On%20Salutations%20and%20Greetings/13864-sahih-muslim-book-026-hadith-number-5430.html Sahih Muslim Book 026, Hadith Number 5430. Sahih Muslim Book 26. On Salutations and Greetings http://www.hadithcollection.com/abudawud/266-Abu%20Dawud%20Book%2034.%20Types%20Of%20Blood-Wit/18367-abu-dawud-book-034-hadith-number-4495.html Abu Dawud Book 034, Hadith Number 4495. Abu Dawud Book 34. Types Of Blood-Wit Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem Chapter : If a man gives another poison to drink or eat will retaliation be taken on him or not. Abu Huraira was a companion of the Islamic prophet Muhammad and the narrator of Hadith most quoted in the isnad by Sunnis believed Allah's messenger was poisoned from a sheep. http://sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_7_71.php Volume 7, Book 71, Number 669 : This book is verse is similar. Here it mentions more than one prophet. Were all Mohammed's companions given the title Apostle and/or Prophet? http://sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_4_53.php Volume 4, Book 53, Number 394 http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/90/4465-sahih-bukhari-volume-005-book-057-hadith-number-062.html Aisha) was one of Muḥammad's wives and was given the title "Mother of the Believers." Sahih Bukhari Book 57. Companions of the Prophets Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/89/4328-sahih-bukhari-volume-004-book-056-hadith-number-736.html Sahih Bukhari Book 56. Virtues and Merits of the Prophets (PBUH) and his Companions Print Bismillah-Hir-Rahman-Nir-Raheem

Surat Al-Baqarah (The Cow) Jesus was denied and suffered death by being Crucified for claiming he was the Son of God. One account has Mohammed dying a natural death Another account has Mohammed suffering a slow death by being poisoned by his Jewish wife Safiyah, for the torturing and beheading of her true husband Kinana, the chief of the Jews at Khaibar and her uncle. Since suffering agonizing pain before death would be a common theme for Christians and Muslims; I am going to focus on the account of Mohammed being poisoned. Here is a Muslim speaking about the poisoned meat eaten by Mohammed. http://youtu.be/p1HBNe3R0vI Those of the Jewish faith can contend if Commandments in the Torah are broken they are justified in their actions. Exodus 20 God did not forbid killing per se. He commanded capital punishment and some war. The Hebrew word used here specifies murder, not just killing. The Israelites were to execute murderers and others under the Mosaic Law. However, He prohibited taking a human life without divine authorization. Numbers 35 If the story is true Safiyah may considered herself by the law of God (Allah) justified in poisoning Mohammed and his companions, because they killed her spouse and uncle. If the story is true Safiyah may considered herself by the law of God (Allah) justified in poisoning Mohammed, because she considered him a false prophet. The Pharisees considered themselves by the law of God (Allah) justified in crucifying Jesus, because they considered Him guilty of being more than just a false prophet. John 10 Both Jesus and Mohammed had a choice in their actions. Jesus could have corrected the Pharisees and stated that he was not divine or the Son of God. But, he did not. Mohammed's companion Muhammad ibn Maslamah (Ansari) could have shown mercy on Kinana, but chose revenge for the loss of his brother Mahmud. Mohammed could have not have chosen to taken Safiyya as a conquered bride. But, he chose to. God (Allah) was pleased with her. http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/muslim/008-smt.php#008.3329 I need to understand the two different stories of Safiyya bint Huyayy. One must be corrupted. And why is their two different views. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Safiyah Safiyah bint Huyayy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safiyya_bint_Huyayy My friend who is a Sunni Muslim that Mohammed Pbuh did not kill her husband, her husband was killed on Khaibar. And he [Mohammed Pbuh] died a normal death. Actually this Hadith is not in Sahih Al-Bukhari. I am not sure if they're actually Muslims, cause they're giving the wrong picture of Islam.

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I want to thank you Ennin for responding to the question above. But, the others are still in need of understanding. Who are those that believe that God (Allah) is the third of the Trinity? Does Qur'an refer to those that believe in Trinity consider the three Jesus, Mary, and God or is it Jesus, Holy Spirit, and God? Is Gabriel or God's Holy Spirit the Pure Spirit that is mentioned in the Qur'an? Was Gabriel talking about the Gnostics belief in God, Jesus, and Sophia (Wisdom)? Was Gabriel talking Gnostic, Second Treatise of the Great Seth, where Simon of Cyrene took on Jesus form and died in his place, while Jesus stood laughing? Do Muslims believe when Jesus died that he was struck with a piece of a dead yellow cow mentioned in Qur'an and brought back to life? Is Mary a prophet? Did Mohammed follow the Ebionite and Nestorian Church idea of Mary? What was the purpose of Allah creating Jesus in the womb of Mary? What was Allah's purpose in creating the only sinless being that ever existed? What was Allah's purpose in making Jesus appear to be crucified to both the Jews and Christians for 600 years? What was Allah's purpose in having Jesus Ascend to Heaven? What is the purpose of Allah bringing back Jesus at the end of days? Does Islam see the relation between Allah and Humans as Creator and His creation or Master and His slaves? Who is "We" mentioned in the Surat An-Naĥl (The Bee) 16:97? I also noticed the same "We" in Surat Al-'Anbyā' (The Prophets) 21:91 Is "We" referring to Allah and the Holy Spirit? Or Allah and the Angel Gabriel? In my faith Angels do not have the power to create. Would the Didache, Codex Sinaiticus, John Rylands Papyrus 52, The Magdalen Papyrus, Chester Beatty Papyrus, and the continual compilation of evidence be considered the Injeel? Can you explain why Allamah Jalaluddin Suyuti, Uthman bin Saeed bin Uthman Abu Amro al-Daani, Tafseer Ibn Kathir state there is a discrepancy in the number of verses in the Quran Do you see "Allah as King (al-Malik)" and "Son of God" as only metaphors? Is there anything beneath or above Allah? Do you now recognize the written Qumran Isaiah Scroll preserved in its entirety 750 years before Mohammed to be the word of Allah? If not, why? Is that a book to you? Or just a scroll? Was this 'Table laden with food' miracle Jesus (Isa) last mentioned meal in Qur'an with His disciples? The Arabic Infancy Gospel of the Savior appears to be the best fit to Qur'an. Do you think Mohammed heard this Gospel before Gabriel came to visit him? Do you think Mohammed knew of the Gospel of Thomas? Don't you think that he would consider Jesus violent and disrespectful of his father in the Gospel of Thomas? Please share with me how Islamic law is easier than the Teachings of Jesus Christ? Again I show you passages from Scripture and the Book of Satan. Which of the two do you consider good? Matthew 5 The Book of Satan 3 Maybe this video will help you understand that a strong man can turn the other cheek. But, Jesus did not remove the need for punishment according to God (Allah's) law. http://youtu.be/sraL5ERiwZ4 There is hope for Mercy for those who truly ask for forgiveness.

I have also learned that Christians and Muslims may share other beliefs, but meaning are lost in the translation. Thus, creating unnecessary discord between the two faiths. The Christian belief in the Qur'an statement of Jesus birth, death, and Resurrection. Since Mohammed's righteous follow every word in the Quran, then the order of the way it was stated must be true. Otherwise, the verse would have stated "the day I was born and the day I was raised alive," or "the day I was born raised alive, and died." But, the order is clear. Please reread this verse. Surat Maryam (Mary) As you see that the Qur'an is quite clear in the order. So we must find out where the breakdown of understanding is. Ennin you wrote: Where in the Qur'an does it say that Jesus died or will die? Once again we read the natural order God has given righteous men. Surat Al-'A`rāf (The Heights) Mohammed follows that natural order. But, he has not been raised from death. Christians and Muslims both believe in birth, death, and Resurrection. Christians and Muslims both believe that Prophets die. What about Jesus? Now we must remember Mohammed was born 600 years after Jesus. Gabriel tells Mohammed that Jesus one of the first miracles is when Jesus was a baby and stated that he will die. Now if Jesus does not die then that would not be a miracle at all. So that verse in the Qur'an would be considered corrupted. But, fear not, as you shall see Jesus did die and for the following reason. John 11 Both Christians and Muslims believe that the Jews planned and thought they had killed Jesus. What is the reason do Muslims have for the Jewish faith to want Jesus dead? It would have to be capitol offense in the Torah and under Roman law for even to have a crucifixion. We both use the book of Deuteronomy to cite a prediction of a coming prophet. So this means we both believe in the book of Deuteronomy is scripture. For one cannot cite prophecy without believing the words are scripture. You have not mentioned whether Christians and Muslims both believe the Ebbionite Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza was a relative of Mohammed. The Ebionites were well known as being Torah observant. They are synonymous with the "Circumcision" opponents of Paul who rejected him as an apostle. As I read the Ebbionite conversion of faith I see similarity to Islam. http://ebionite.org/cd.htm I do see a possible difference. Like Christians, Muslims do not believe that Satan is a servant of God? Ebionites do believe that Satan (Iblees) was a servant of God (Allah) Surat Al-Baqarah (The Cow) Ebionites also believe the Jesus is dead. The Catholic Encyclopedia has a very good description of the Ebionite community. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05242c.htm From reading this there were two divisions of Ebionites. The ones that believed in the virgin birth of Jesus and the other that did not. From further reading I am beginning to suspect that Mohammed would be considered in line with the Ebionite faith. I see others that take this view as well. Robert Price makes two interesting points. The message of Jesus Christ has been adapted to the faiths and traditional cultural folklore. He states the Greeks and Roman Christians had no need to incorporate the Torah into their system since it their Pagan background. Meanwhile the Aramaic Jews did have the Torah and did incorporate Jesus into their belief system. In my opinion, the Persian and Arabian people did not have a Torah as well, but did have a greater understanding of it since many Jews had been dispersed into these regions twice after losing two wars against Babylon and later Rome. I am sure after a millenia both a intellectual and common individual had a very good understanding of the religious and cultural practices of the Jewish faith. It is true that Hellenistic Christian Jews also had influence on the Roman and Greek intellectuals, but poor who believed in a pantheon of Gods not so much. I would state the same with the Egyptian intellectuals as well. Just like the divisions in Christianity there is a fundamental division of Islam between Sunni and Shia. http://youtu.be/sgZeJXmTZUw The Victors write the history. The Romans and the Arabians won the battles and thus the two major interpretations of who is the man Jesus Christ.

Ahmed uses powerful words of Christ. Let's hope he learns to understand them. Matthew 7 If we take the time to read the previous verses it explains what a false prophet will disguise himself to be a follower of Jesus, but one can inspect his works (doctrines and deeds) to see if they are bearing good fruit (righteous conduct). John 7 During Jesus’ ministry, doing the will of God boiled down to believing that Jesus was the Messiah and responding appropriately. Those who enter the kingdom of Heaven are those who do the will of Jesus’ Father, and those who do not are those who practice lawlessness. John 6 Those who truly believe in Christ will have the authority to become God's children and their Father's laws. Those that believe in Christ live to do good works. John 1 Matthew 11 Ennin you wrote: We all have the opportunity to become God's children if we believe in Jesus Christ's authority and teachings on how to make it happen. It is easy to know his name, but takes faith to truly know Jesus Christ. If we take the time to get to know Him (his deeds and instructions) the burdens of mortal life become easier to bear. 2 Peter 1 So far from this discussion I have learned Christians and Muslims agree that Jesus is the following: Loved by both Christians and Muslims Holy Unique Special Miracle Did Miracles Messiah Messenger from God True Faith is taught by Jesus God rewards the righteous Created word of God Son of Man Only man not touched by Satan Without Sin Born of a virgin Mary Similar to the creation of Adam Great Prophet Raised by God Jesus Ascended to Heaven around the age of 33 Come again at the end of days Christians and Muslims agree that the Spirit is the following: The Spirit is truth God gives this Spirit to mankind Christians and Muslims agree that God is the following: Creator Merciful There are many names for Him Knows the future Christians and Muslims also believe in the Kingdom of Heaven. Christians and Muslims also both believe that Moses and Muhammad both had natural deaths from natural causes. We also believe that Moses and Mohammed were leaders to their people. Moses to the Israelite people. Mohammed to the Muslims. We both believe that Gabriel is an angel of God. Hasan Basri was a friend of Mohammed. Christians and Muslims both believe in birth, death, and Resurrection. Christians and Muslims both believe that Prophets die. Both Christians and Muslims Believe that the Jews planned and thought they had killed Jesus. Here are two animations of the lives of Mohammed and Jesus Christ. http://youtu.be/TlQ4Wxw5ky4 http://youtu.be/h4UJKrzWJ2M

I read that Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza was the cousin of Mohammed's first wife, Kahdijah or Khadīja bint Khuwaylid. Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 1, Number 3 So I now have confirmation that Mohammed knew two men that had similar Christian beliefs to the excommunicated Bishop Nestorius. I need to find more information on the cult of the Theotokos (Virgin Mary) in Byzantium and Nestorius condemnation of it. Theotokos is the Greek title of Mary, the mother of Jesus used especially in the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and Eastern Catholic Churches. Its literal English translations include "God-bearer", "Birth-Giver of God" and "the one who gives birth to God." Less literal translations include "Mother of God."

Ennin you wrote: Is this 'Table laden with food' miracle a traditional festival in Islamic Faith? Was this 'Table laden with food' miracle Jesus (Isa) last mentioned meal in Qur'an with His disciples? Do you believe the following edict of Muhammad ibn Abdullah? I am beginning to confirm my hypothesis that Muhammad did have Gnostic influence. Bahira, or "Sergius the Monk" to the Latin West, was a Syriac or Bahrani Gnostic Nasorean or Nestorian (Arian) monk who, according to tradition, foretold to the adolescent Muhammad his future prophetic career. Nestorius (/ˌnɛsˈtɔriəs/; in Greek: Νεστόριος; c. 386 – 450) was Archbishop of Constantinople from 10 April 428 until August 431, when the emperor Theodosius II confirmed his condemnation by the Council of Ephesus on 22 June. His teachings included a rejection of the long-used title of Theotokos, "Mother of God", for the Virgin Mary, and were understood by many to imply that he did not believe that Christ was truly God. However, Nestorius actually was concerned that the cult of the Theotokos was dangerously close to venerating Mary as a goddess. This brought him into conflict with other prominent churchmen of the time, most notably Cyril of Alexandria, who accused him of heresy. Nestorius sought to defend himself at the First Council of Ephesus in 431, but instead he found himself formally condemned for heresy by a majority of the bishops and subsequently removed from his see. On his own request he retired to his former monastery in or near Antioch. In 435 Theodosius II sent him into exile in Upper Egypt, where he lived on till 450, strenuously defending his orthodoxy. His last major defender within the Roman Empire, Theodoret of Cyrrhus, finally agreed to anathematize him in 451 during the Council of Chalcedon; from then on he had no defenders within the empire. But the Church of the East never accepted his condemnation. This led later to western Christians giving the name Nestorian Church to the Church of the East, even though it never regarded him as an authoritative teacher. The discovery and publication of his Book of Heraclides at the beginning of the 20th century led to a reassessment of his theology in western scholarship. It is now generally agreed that his ideas were not far from those that eventually emerged as orthodox, but the orthodoxy of his formulation of the doctrine of Christ is still controversial. In 1944 Pope Pius XII wrote about this schism between the East and West. http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_09041944_orientalis-ecclesiae_en.html ORIENTALIS ECCLESIAE ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XII ON SAINT CYRIL, PATRIARCH OF ALEXANDRIA TO OUR VENERABLE BRETHREN THE PATRIARCHS, PRIMATES, ARCHBISHOPS, BISHIOPS, AND OTHER ORDINARIES AT PEACE AND IN COMMUNION WITH THE APOSTOLIC SEE I wonder if it is Bashira who is the 'human being' mentioned in this verse of Qur'an. Surat An-Naĥl (The Bee) Or could it be Waraqah ibn Nawfal who is the 'human being' mentioned in the above verse of Qur'an.

Ennin you wrote: We are both in agreement with the above passage Ennin you wrote: Here is a translation of the Infancy Gospel. Infancy Gospel of Thomas http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/infancythomas-a-roberts.html Here we see in the same gospel an angered Jesus use powers to kill children and blind their parents for telling His adopted Father Joseph what he had done. Jesus is abusing the power God (Allah) has given him. The Infancy Gospel of Thomas appears contradictory to the Jesus known in Islam and Christianity. Infancy Gospel of Thomas Here we read Jesus teacher, Zacchaeus, considers himself mentally shamed by what he considers a god or angel. Infancy Gospel of Thomas Is Zacchaeus the tutor in the Infancy Gospel of Thomas the same Zacchaeus the rich tax collector mentioned in the Gospel of Luke? Luke 19 Both stories have Zacchaeus as sinner that knew Jesus was above him. He also does not ask for Mercy from Jesus, rather he is forthright in reflecting his self image. The difference in the stories is Zacchaeus the tutor is not penitent. Zaccheaus the tax collector is penitent. I am grateful for this discourse, because it has led me to poem that gives me an Epiphany of understanding both the Blessed Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ. God created Adam first. From Adam's rib Eve was created. Both were to fall from God's grace by disobeying God's commands. God created Mary who was full of grace and always obeyed God's commands. From the womb of a sinless virgin God begat Jesus Christ. The Messiah would redeem man from the sins of Adam. Zacchaeus to be that of a penitent finding salvation through his Lord Jesus Christ. Here is a famous Syriac poem written about 60 years before Mohammed. Cyrillona, On Zacchaeus I digress. Let's go back to Infancy Gospel again. Here is another version just written a century before Mohammed. The Arabic Infancy Gospel of the Savior http://www.gnosis.org/library/infarab.htm The Arabic Infancy Gospel of the Savior The Arabic Infancy Gospel of the Savior appears to be the best fit to Qur'an. I wonder if Mohammed heard these stories during his travels?

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Ennin you commented on the Beatitudes of Christ and wrote: I am going to give you a contrast of passages from Scripture and the Book of Satan. Tell me which one you side with. Matthew 5 The Book of Satan 3 When a Satanist commits a wrong, he realizes that it is natural to make a mistake. Satanic Bible - Some Evidence of a New Satanic Age http://www.thesatanicbiblefree.com/files/Download/The%20Satanic%20Bible%20Ebook.pdf Here is another name given to God from the prophet Isaiah. This translation is taken from the Great Isaiah Scroll. Chapter 47 : Verse 4 Aramaic is a family of languages (traditionally referred to as "dialects") belonging to the Semitic family, and more specifically, is a part of the Northwest Semitic subfamily, which also includes Canaanite languages such as Hebrew and Phoenician. The Aramaic script was widely adopted for other languages and is ancestral to both the Arabic and modern Hebrew alphabets. I decided to use an English Aramaic translator. http://www.peshitta.org/cgi-bin/lexicon.cgi God Pronunciation: (Eastern) AaLaH (Western) AaLoH It is my understanding that the names of God and the Prophets originated in Hebrew. Even during this discourse you have stated that things get lost in the translation (ie. Hebrew Bible, the New Testament Gospels). It is common Jewish practice to restrict the use of the word Adonai to prayer only. In conversation, some Jewish people, even when not speaking Hebrew, will call God HaShem, השם, which is Hebrew for "the Name." A century before the Qur'an, a Christian leader named Abd Allah ibn Abu Bakr ibn Muhammad was martyred in Najran in 523 AD, and he had worn a ring that said "Allah is my lord" When you pray to Allah ask if Jesus Christ is your Shepard. John 10 God (Allah) warned the unjust judges that they would suffer judgment themselves for their injustice. God had appointed them as “gods” (i.e., individuals with power by God’s authority). He had made them His sons in the sense of His representatives on earth. Nevertheless because these corrupt judges had not behaved as God, who judges justly, they would die as mere men without honor as God’s sons. They would die as all the other Israelites would. Psalms 82 The descendant of David through whom God will fulfill His promises completely is Jesus Christ 2 Samuel 7 Luke 1

Deuteronomy 18 Genesis 25 Here we find God's chosen servant, Jacob, name changed to Israel. Genesis 32 God promised land to children of Israel. If we look back to we see that the Levites will have no inheritance with Israeli brothers. They were the first to share in a greater inheritance directly with God. Although, Mohammed did not converse communicate directly to God like Moses and Jesus. Rather Gabriel was an intermediary of God (Allah). But, fear not. Jesus came from the flock of Israel. Jesus offers something even greater than land. Jesus offers everyone that believes and follows his message to share in the inheritance of the Kingdom of God. John 10 Ennin you wrote: As a devout Christian I view Jesus superior to Moses and all the other prophets. Jesus was sinless during his mission here on Earth. As stated in Qur'an. Jesus provided salvation through His death. Also stated in the Qur'an. He ascended into heaven. As stated in the Qur'an. He continued to give revelation from God after His death (through the New Testament prophets and possibly even Mohammed). He presently intercedes for His own. The Qur'an states that those that believe in Jesus are superior to others. He will return for us. As stated in Qur'an. And He will literally bring us into God’s presence. The Jewish messiah is a leader anointed by God, physically descended from the Davidic line, who will rule the united tribes of Israel. Both Christians and Muslims believe Jesus is the living Messiah. Only the greatest prophet has God's authority to do battle directly against the Evil One in Gods name. Islam and Christianity believe Jesus will the victor at the end of days. I pray that both you Ennin, myself and all that read this find salvation through Jesus. Luke 24 Acts 1 Revelation 1