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Science discussed a lot about the boundary of space and beyond it. This boundary is unreachable for any human being and hence, is called as infinite. Unreachable need not be infinite. The finite space also can be unreachable since very very long finite space is also unreachable. Since space is creation of God, its boundary must be known to omniscient God and hence, space must be finite and unreachable for humanity.

If it is finite, beyond it, something should exist. Science itself asks about the nature of the item present beyond the boundary wall of space. Anything beyond space is unimaginable. The reason is that an item beyond space must not have space in it. It must not have spatial dimensions and hence, must not have volume. Even if you concentrate for millions of years, you cannot imagine a volumeless item. Hence, space is finite having boundary, which is unreachable by us, beyond which some unimaginable item must exist, which is called as unimaginable God by us.

If space is infinite, it must not have boundary. Hence, science calls space as infinite without boundary and therefore, there is nothing beyond its non-existent boundary. Hence, there is no reference of God in science. But, we prove the existence of unimaginable God, who is the source of unimaginable miracles seen in the world. Beyond the boundary of imaginable space (hence, we say that space is finite having boundary), proper place must be given to an unimaginable item that is proved by miracles.

Science, unable to give the reason behind miracles, neither accepts these miracles (due to the inability of explanation) nor rejects miracles since these miracles are seen in the world. Hence, science is silent about God and miracles. This is sincere right path of research. Atheists are not scientific since they abandon miracles saying that miracles are simply magic. In case of genuine miracle, they say that science will explain these miracles tomorrow and that tomorrow never comes! Science never says so!]

 [Science says that space is expanding constantly. But, Einstein feels that space is totally non-existent. There is no meaning of expansion of non-existent item. If you treat space as infinite and say that the universe consisting of energy and matter is expanding, such expansion must result in the decrease of its density and disintegration of items in the universe, which are not experienced by us. You can say that fresh energy is created, which is converting into matter (and awareness also if you feel that awareness exists apart from the earth), then, the expansion of the universe is possible.

In such case, there is no harm in saying that space is also a form of subtle energy and constant creation of energy means constant creation of space or subtle energy and subsequent constant creation of matter (and awareness). This means that the universe or space is constantly being created. This constant expansion (by creation) of the space or universe is needed to prove that the space is expanding so that no human being can reach the boundary of space and see the unimaginable item existing beyond it.

This means that unreachable nature of space is not inherent characteristic of the space itself, but, is relative due to the impossibility of human being to touch the unimaginable God existing beyond it. You may doubt that the humanity is not travelling with such high velocity so that the present existing finite space has to expand further to make the human being unable to touch the unimaginable God. It is true if the reference is humanity only.

In this creation, apart from humanity on the earth, there are upper energetic worlds in which energetic beings called as angels exist. Even if these energetic beings (angels) travel with very high terrible velocity, they are also unable to touch the boundary of space so that they cannot touch the unimaginable God.

For such requirement, the space has to expand with more speed so that all the boundaries extend further by which even the angels do not touch the boundary of space. The Veda says that even angels could not obtain the unimaginable God (Nainat devaa aapnuvan…). Hence, the expansion of universe is with reference to the angels and not with reference to the humanity. Thus, the constant expansion of the universe proposed by science is correlated with the Vedic statement.]

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 [Unimaginable God is undetectable by our human brains. ‘Undetectable’ does not mean that it does not exist. The simultaneous position and momentum of electron are undetectable by the most sophisticated electron microscope. When this instrument is used, the focussed beam attacks the electron and its position is disturbed. Hence, this microscope is unable to detect the exact position of the electron and hence, is unable to calculate the simultaneous momentum of the electron in its original position.

This does not mean that the exact position and simultaneous momentum of electron do not co-exist. They exist, but, are undetectable to the instrument since the equipment used is crude before the sensitivity of the values of electron. This is propounded by Heisenberg as Uncertainty Principle in Science. Similarly, the sensitivity of the status of unimaginable God is very sharp compared to the crudeness of the imagination done by our intelligence-equipment.

God, being the generator of space, does not have space in Him. The product can’t exist in its cause before its generation and if it exists, it is said to be existent even before its generation, which is impossible. God, having no space or spatial dimensions in Him, has no length, width and height. He is beyond space, having no volume. Any item beyond space can never be imagined by anybody even on concentrating for millions of years! Therefore, God exists, even though unimaginable for our intelligence.]

 [You should not argue that the existence of unimaginable God should be verified through natural explanations and not by unnatural or unscientific explanations. Nature means creation. Every item in the creation has spatial dimensions and hence, is not beyond space. It is having spatial dimensions and is imaginable. Your objection is that God is to be explained through natural concepts.

We can explain the existence of unimaginable God even though we can’t explain the nature of God.The Veda also says that only the existence of God can be proved and not His nature (Asteetyeva…, Atarkyah…). We never say that we will explain the nature of God. We openly say that God is unimaginable, which means that the nature of God is beyond imagination. But, we can explain and prove the existence of God through natural concepts. If we examine a genuine miracle, it involves natural items and natural concepts only. Whenever the recent human incarnation Shri Satya Sai Baba created sacred ash or some material, His hand creating that is visible and natural.

The rotation of His hand in circular way is also visible and natural. The produced item from space is also visible and natural. Only the mechanism or power of production of an item from space is unimaginable. All these visible natural items and natural processes indicate the final result that an item from the space is produced in unimaginable way. Hence, the unimaginable mechanism or power exists. We say that this unimaginable power or mechanism itself is unimaginable God because there can’t exist two unimaginable items.

Any number of unimaginable items result only as one unimaginable item. Hence, we can’t say that there exists unimaginable God and separately unimaginable power. Hence, this unimaginable power itself is unimaginable God. We use the terminology like unimaginable God and unimaginable power for the sake of explaining to the human brains, which are based on the worldly logic. In the world, we find the source of power like Sun and his power like Sunlight as two different items.

Based on this worldly logic only we use the terms unimaginable God and unimaginable power separately for a better clarification to the human brains. Therefore, once the existence of unimaginable power is proved, the existence of unimaginable God is proved by itself. Hence, the existence of unimaginable God is testable, which is the basic requirement of science for the proof of any concept.

Hence, the existence of unimaginable God is to be accepted through the authority of perception and its deductive knowledge, which alone is believed by science as single authority. There is no need of inference and its inductive knowledge in the explanation of the genuine miracle. The testability can be implemented by the scientist in seeing that such generation of an item from the space is not through the magic. In this point, it is open. The generation of divine ash and special scented nectar from the photos of Baba and other forms of God were also clearly visible and proved beyond any doubt, which can’t be misinterpreted as magic.

A magician may generate a hidden item from the hand through magic. But, sacred ash and nectar can’t be generated by his photos which are existing far from him! Hence, the testability of genuine miracle is proved beyond any doubt, which clearly establishes the existence of unimaginable God.

 

 

 

 

 

This point is very very subtle (God existing at the boundary of universe) and any hasty proceeding will spoil the actual subtle concept. You have to examine this point very carefully and with lot of patience so that you will never miss the actual subtle point. This universe is imaginable and hence, its boundary must be also imaginable. When you are travelling in a ship in the sea, if the water of the sea is visible (imaginable world), the boundary of the sea, which is also water must be visible only. The boundary of the sea does not mean mere edge of the sea water only, but also, refers the adjacent boundary of the (unimaginable God) earth also.

 

As per the rule, if you have reached the boundary of the sea, you must reach the boundary of earth also. This means that if you have reached the boundary of this imaginable space or world, you must have reached the boundary of unimaginable God also. But, actually, you can never reach the boundary of unimaginable God since God is beyond space being the generator of space (if space or spatial dimensions existed in God, it means space existed even before its generation in God and this is impossible contradiction).

 

If you are not able to reach the boundary of unimaginable God, naturally, it means that you must be unable to reach even the visible (imaginable) boundary of visible-imaginable world also. This results in the inevitable impossibility to reach the imaginable boundary of the imaginable world. As you are running in the space to touch the imaginable boundary of imaginable world, it is also expanding before you reach it so that you can neither touch the imaginable boundary of the world nor touch the unimaginable boundary of God. This results in the constant expansion of world or space.

 

 The world or space may also be already so huge (in which case the expansion of universe is not necessary) that even the angels or energetic beings having the fastest speed of energy can’t reach the boundary of world. The Veda says that even angels can’t touch the unimaginable God, which means that they can’t touch the imaginable and visible boundary of the imaginable world also (Nainat devaa aapnuvan puurvamarshat).

 

The core and boundary of the imaginable world and the boundary and core of unimaginable God (assuming that both boundary and core of God exist) are known to the unimaginable God Himself and this means clearly that the infinite world or space doesn’t mean that it is not having the boundary in reality. Infinite means not only the boundary-less item, but also, an item having the boundary unknowable and unknown to us.

 

 

One should believe in the existence of the unimaginable God based on the authority of direct perception since unimaginable miracles are directly seen in this world. This world is imaginable to us. But the boundary of this world is permanently unreachable to us. We can neither reach it physically nor can we reach it mentally through our intelligence or imagination.

 

So, the boundary of this imaginable world is unimaginable. The world can be said to be infinite in this fundamental unimaginable sense. On the other hand, if we think that the boundary of the world is located at an infinite distance, it is the conventional (commonly-understood) concept of infinity. As per this conventional understanding of infinity, when we say that the boundary is located at an infinite distance, we mean that the boundary is farther than any large distance that one can think of. This means that the distance is an extremely large number.

 

But it is still a number, which is basically imaginable. It is not something that is fundamentally unimaginable by the human mind. It implies that the domain that exists beyond the boundary of this imaginable world is still imaginable. Then one would immediately ask, where the boundary of that imaginable domain would be, and so on…endlessly. So, the conventional understanding of the infinity of the universe leads to the logical error of infinite regress (anavasthā doṣa).

 

The correct understanding of the infinity of the world is that an unimaginable domain exists beyond the boundary of the world. The essence of the entire imaginable world is space. So, the boundary of the world is the boundary of space. Only an unimaginable domain can exist beyond the boundary of space since any domain beyond space cannot even be imagined! All this is logical spiritual science.

 

The unimaginable God is beyond space. Space has three dimensions called length, breadth, and height. Time also is an associated coordinate of space since, without space, time cannot exist. When we take the state of unimaginable God, He is beyond space and time, due to which He is unimaginable. Since He is beyond time, you should not ask Me about the time in which He existed alone without creation. His state, which is beyond the four-dimensional space-time, exists even now and it will exist even in the future. His state continues forever even after the creation of this world and even though He enters the world in the form of Incarnations. It is a wonder how God remains unchanged in spite of incarnating in multiple forms, and it is possible due to His inherent unimaginable nature. This is described in the Gita as “Avibhaktam vibhakteṣu

 

First, God created space, which is subtle inert energy. Space and the subtle energy are one and the same since the Veda says in one place that God created space (Ātmana ākāśaḥ...), and in another place, it also says that God created energy (Tat tejo’sṛjata...). Regarding the creation of the other elements and items of creation, a chain of cause and effect is described. It is told that from space arose air, and from air arose fire and so on. God is said to be the direct cause only for space and energy. Since both space and energy are separately said to be the first creations, which were directly created by God, they must be one and the same.

 

 It means that space, even though it appears to be ‘nothing’ is actually ‘something’. It is subtle energy. The visible gross energy is derived from the invisible subtle energy by the reduction in its frequency. We know that visible light is electromagnetic radiation. Electromagnetic radiation of higher frequencies such as ultraviolet light, x-rays and gamma rays, is invisible to us but it is detected by scientific instruments. The subtle energy has even higher frequencies than x-rays or gamma rays and it is not only invisible to us but it is also undetected by scientific instruments. However, it is not nothing, since it is basically energy.

 

Just because something is invisible to your eyes or to scientific instruments, it does not mean it is ‘nothing’ or non-existent. It can exist even though it is invisible. Ancient Indian logic speaks about the quantization of space. They described ākāśa paramāṇus, which can roughly be translated as ‘atoms of space’. It clearly indicates that the ancient Indian philosophers knew that space, being one of the five elements, is something. Science also speaks about the bending of space, which suggests that space is something. It is possible that all of creation disappears yet space alone remains. Space has its own independent existence. Space need not disappear along with matter as some scientists think.

 

God wanted to create this world and He created space or subtle energy as the first item. Without space, creation cannot exist even though space can exist without creation. God wanted to express Himself to the souls, which were to be created in the future. So, He created a divine energetic body containing a divine energetic soul. Both the energetic soul and body together are called as the energetic being. The unimaginable God merged with this first energetic being permanently to become the First Energetic Incarnation called Datta. Datta means ‘given’ or ‘expressed’ for the sake of souls. Datta is known by many names including Hiraṇyagarbha, Nārāyaṇa, Sadāśiva, Īśvara, Yahwah, Allah and Father of heaven.

 

The first Energetic Incarnation occupies a certain amount of space from the point of view of its body and soul. The soul too is a form of energy and it requires space for its existence. Thus, the first Energetic Incarnation needs some amount of subtle energy for the creation of its body and soul. A part of the subtle energy, which is the first item created by God, is used for this purpose. Even in the final dissolution, this space occupied by the first Energetic Incarnation does not disappear because this First Incarnation is eternal. This holy space is called the ultimate space or parama vyoma. It is called ultimate or parama since it will not disappear even if the entire creation disappears.

 

Actually, in the final dissolution, the world only goes from its gross state into a subtle or hidden state called avyaktam. A movie is projected on the screen in a movie theater during the show. This is like the gross state of creation. When the show is over, the movie is no longer projected on the screen, but it remains in a subtle form in the film reel. This is like the subtle state of creation during dissolution.

 

 Not only does the first Energetic Incarnation called Hiraṇyagarbha or Brahmā remain during the dissolution, but His abode called Brahma Loka also does not disappear. In other words, space never disappears. It is space which contains Brahma Loka and the rest of creation in a subtle state. It is this ultimate space that is mentioned in the Veda through the words “Parame vyoman...”. Brahma Loka also exists in its gross state after final dissolution and can be called as parama vyoma. The space occupied by the creation in subtle state, after final dissolution, is called as vyoma or space.

 

 

 

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