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Remarks by the President at a Memorial Service for the Victims of the Shooting in Tucson, Arizona

 

McKale Memorial Center

University of Arizona

Tucson, Arizona

 

6:43 P.M. MST

 

 

 

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. (Applause.) Thank you very much. Please, please be seated. (Applause.)

 

To the families of those we’ve lost; to all who called them friends; to the students of this university, the public servants who are gathered here, the people of Tucson and the people of Arizona: I have come here tonight as an American who, like all Americans, kneels to pray with you today and will stand by you tomorrow. (Applause.)

 

There is nothing I can say that will fill the sudden hole torn in your hearts. But know this: The hopes of a nation are here tonight. We mourn with you for the fallen. We join you in your grief. And we add our faith to yours that Representative Gabrielle Giffords and the other living victims of this tragedy will pull through. (Applause.)

 

Scripture tells us:

 

There is a river whose streams make glad the city of God,

the holy place where the Most High dwells.

God is within her, she will not fall;

God will help her at break of day.

 

On Saturday morning, Gabby, her staff and many of her constituents gathered outside a supermarket to exercise their right to peaceful assembly and free speech. (Applause.) They were fulfilling a central tenet of the democracy envisioned by our founders –- representatives of the people answering questions to their constituents, so as to carry their concerns back to our nation’s capital. Gabby called it “Congress on Your Corner” -– just an updated version of government of and by and for the people. (Applause.)

 

And that quintessentially American scene, that was the scene that was shattered by a gunman’s bullets. And the six people who lost their lives on Saturday –- they, too, represented what is best in us, what is best in America. (Applause.)

 

Judge John Roll served our legal system for nearly 40 years. (Applause.) A graduate of this university and a graduate of this law school -- (applause) -- Judge Roll was recommended for the federal bench by John McCain 20 years ago -- (applause) -- appointed by President George H.W. Bush and rose to become Arizona’s chief federal judge. (Applause.)

 

His colleagues described him as the hardest-working judge within the Ninth Circuit. He was on his way back from attending Mass, as he did every day, when he decided to stop by and say hi to his representative. John is survived by his loving wife, Maureen, his three sons and his five beautiful grandchildren. (Applause.)

 

George and Dorothy Morris -– “Dot” to her friends -– were high school sweethearts who got married and had two daughters. They did everything together -- traveling the open road in their RV, enjoying what their friends called a 50-year honeymoon. Saturday morning, they went by the Safeway to hear what their congresswoman had to say. When gunfire rang out, George, a former Marine, instinctively tried to shield his wife. (Applause.) Both were shot. Dot passed away.

 

A New Jersey native, Phyllis Schneck retired to Tucson to beat the snow. But in the summer, she would return East, where her world revolved around her three children, her seven grandchildren and 2-year-old great-granddaughter. A gifted quilter, she’d often work under a favorite tree, or sometimes she'd sew aprons with the logos of the Jets and the Giants -- (laughter) -- to give out at the church where she volunteered. A Republican, she took a liking to Gabby, and wanted to get to know her better. (Applause.)

 

Dorwan and Mavy Stoddard grew up in Tucson together -– about 70 years ago. They moved apart and started their own respective families. But after both were widowed they found their way back here, to, as one of Mavy’s daughters put it, “be boyfriend and girlfriend again.” (Laughter.)

 

When they weren’t out on the road in their motor home, you could find them just up the road, helping folks in need at the Mountain Avenue Church of Christ. A retired construction worker, Dorwan spent his spare time fixing up the church along with his dog, Tux. His final act of selflessness was to dive on top of his wife, sacrificing his life for hers. (Applause.)

 

Everything -- everything -- Gabe Zimmerman did, he did with passion. (Applause.) But his true passion was helping people. As Gabby’s outreach director, he made the cares of thousands of her constituents his own, seeing to it that seniors got the Medicare benefits that they had earned, that veterans got the medals and the care that they deserved, that government was working for ordinary folks. He died doing what he loved -– talking with people and seeing how he could help. And Gabe is survived by his parents, Ross and Emily, his brother, Ben, and his fiancée, Kelly, who he planned to marry next year. (Applause.)

 

And then there is nine-year-old Christina Taylor Green. Christina was an A student; she was a dancer; she was a gymnast; she was a swimmer. She decided that she wanted to be the first woman to play in the Major Leagues, and as the only girl on her Little League team, no one put it past her. (Applause.)

 

She showed an appreciation for life uncommon for a girl her age. She’d remind her mother, “We are so blessed. We have the best life.” And she’d pay those blessings back by participating in a charity that helped children who were less fortunate.

 

Our hearts are broken by their sudden passing. Our hearts are broken -– and yet, our hearts also have reason for fullness.

Our hearts are full of hope and thanks for the 13 Americans who survived the shooting, including the congresswoman many of them went to see on Saturday.

 

I have just come from the University Medical Center, just a mile from here, where our friend Gabby courageously fights to recover even as we speak. And I want to tell you -- her husband Mark is here and he allows me to share this with you -- right after we went to visit, a few minutes after we left her room and some of her colleagues in Congress were in the room, Gabby opened her eyes for the first time. (Applause.) Gabby opened her eyes for the first time. (Applause.)

 

Gabby opened her eyes. Gabby opened her eyes, so I can tell you she knows we are here. She knows we love her. And she knows that we are rooting for her through what is undoubtedly going to be a difficult journey. We are there for her. (Applause.)

 

Our hearts are full of thanks for that good news, and our hearts are full of gratitude for those who saved others. We are grateful to Daniel Hernandez -- (applause) -- a volunteer in Gabby’s office. (Applause.)

 

And, Daniel, I’m sorry, you may deny it, but we’ve decided you are a hero because -- (applause) -- you ran through the chaos to minister to your boss, and tended to her wounds and helped keep her alive. (Applause.)

 

We are grateful to the men who tackled the gunman as he stopped to reload. (Applause.) Right over there. (Applause.) We are grateful for petite Patricia Maisch, who wrestled away the killer’s ammunition, and undoubtedly saved some lives. (Applause.) And we are grateful for the doctors and nurses and first responders who worked wonders to heal those who’d been hurt. We are grateful to them. (Applause.)

 

These men and women remind us that heroism is found not only on the fields of battle. They remind us that heroism does not require special training or physical strength. Heroism is here, in the hearts of so many of our fellow citizens, all around us, just waiting to be summoned -– as it was on Saturday morning. Their actions, their selflessness poses a challenge to each of us. It raises a question of what, beyond prayers and expressions of concern, is required of us going forward. How can we honor the fallen? How can we be true to their memory?

 

You see, when a tragedy like this strikes, it is part of our nature to demand explanations –- to try and pose some order on the chaos and make sense out of that which seems senseless. Already we’ve seen a national conversation commence, not only about the motivations behind these killings, but about everything from the merits of gun safety laws to the adequacy of our mental health system. And much of this process, of debating what might be done to prevent such tragedies in the future, is an essential ingredient in our exercise of self-government.

 

But at a time when our discourse has become so sharply polarized -– at a time when we are far too eager to lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who happen to think differently than we do -– it’s important for us to pause for a moment and make sure that we’re talking with each other in a way that heals, not in a way that wounds. (Applause.)

Scripture tells us that there is evil in the world, and that terrible things happen for reasons that defy human understanding. In the words of Job, “When I looked for light, then came darkness.” Bad things happen, and we have to guard against simple explanations in the aftermath.

 

For the truth is none of us can know exactly what triggered this vicious attack. None of us can know with any certainty what might have stopped these shots from being fired, or what thoughts lurked in the inner recesses of a violent man’s mind. Yes, we have to examine all the facts behind this tragedy. We cannot and will not be passive in the face of such violence. We should be willing to challenge old assumptions in order to lessen the prospects of such violence in the future. (Applause.) But what we cannot do is use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on each other. (Applause.) That we cannot do. (Applause.) That we cannot do.

 

As we discuss these issues, let each of us do so with a good dose of humility. Rather than pointing fingers or assigning blame, let’s use this occasion to expand our moral imaginations, to listen to each other more carefully, to sharpen our instincts for empathy and remind ourselves of all the ways that our hopes and dreams are bound together. (Applause.)

 

After all, that’s what most of us do when we lose somebody in our family -– especially if the loss is unexpected. We’re shaken out of our routines. We’re forced to look inward. We reflect on the past: Did we spend enough time with an aging parent, we wonder. Did we express our gratitude for all the sacrifices that they made for us? Did we tell a spouse just how desperately we loved them, not just once in a while but every single day?

 

So sudden loss causes us to look backward -– but it also forces us to look forward; to reflect on the present and the future, on the manner in which we live our lives and nurture our relationships with those who are still with us. (Applause.)

 

We may ask ourselves if we’ve shown enough kindness and generosity and compassion to the people in our lives. Perhaps we question whether we're doing right by our children, or our community, whether our priorities are in order.

 

We recognize our own mortality, and we are reminded that in the fleeting time we have on this Earth, what matters is not wealth, or status, or power, or fame -– but rather, how well we have loved -- (applause)-- and what small part we have played in making the lives of other people better. (Applause.)

 

And that process -- that process of reflection, of making sure we align our values with our actions –- that, I believe, is what a tragedy like this requires.

For those who were harmed, those who were killed –- they are part of our family, an American family 300 million strong. (Applause.) We may not have known them personally, but surely we see ourselves in them. In George and Dot, in Dorwan and Mavy, we sense the abiding love we have for our own husbands, our own wives, our own life partners. Phyllis –- she’s our mom or our grandma; Gabe our brother or son. (Applause.) In Judge Roll, we recognize not only a man who prized his family and doing his job well, but also a man who embodied America’s fidelity to the law. (Applause.)

 

And in Gabby -- in Gabby, we see a reflection of our public-spiritedness; that desire to participate in that sometimes frustrating, sometimes contentious, but always necessary and never-ending process to form a more perfect union. (Applause.)

 

And in Christina -- in Christina we see all of our children. So curious, so trusting, so energetic, so full of magic. So deserving of our love. And so deserving of our good example.

 

If this tragedy prompts reflection and debate -- as it should -- let’s make sure it’s worthy of those we have lost. (Applause.) Let’s make sure it’s not on the usual plane of politics and point-scoring and pettiness that drifts away in the next news cycle.

 

The loss of these wonderful people should make every one of us strive to be better. To be better in our private lives, to be better friends and neighbors and coworkers and parents. And if, as has been discussed in recent days, their death helps usher in more civility in our public discourse, let us remember it is not because a simple lack of civility caused this tragedy -- it did not -- but rather because only a more civil and honest public discourse can help us face up to the challenges of our nation in a way that would make them proud. (Applause.)

 

We should be civil because we want to live up to the example of public servants like John Roll and Gabby Giffords, who knew first and foremost that we are all Americans, and that we can question each other’s ideas without questioning each other’s love of country and that our task, working together, is to constantly widen the circle of our concern so that we bequeath the American Dream to future generations. (Applause.)

 

They believed -- they believed, and I believe that we can be better. Those who died here, those who saved life here –- they help me believe. We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another, that’s entirely up to us. (Applause.)

 

And I believe that for all our imperfections, we are full of decency and goodness, and that the forces that divide us are not as strong as those that unite us. (Applause.)

 

That’s what I believe, in part because that’s what a child like Christina Taylor Green believed. (Applause.)

Imagine -- imagine for a moment, here was a young girl who was just becoming aware of our democracy; just beginning to understand the obligations of citizenship; just starting to glimpse the fact that some day she, too, might play a part in shaping her nation’s future. She had been elected to her student council. She saw public service as something exciting and hopeful. She was off to meet her congresswoman, someone she was sure was good and important and might be a role model. She saw all this through the eyes of a child, undimmed by the cynicism or vitriol that we adults all too often just take for granted.

 

I want to live up to her expectations. (Applause.) I want our democracy to be as good as Christina imagined it. I want America to be as good as she imagined it. (Applause.) All of us -– we should do everything we can to make sure this country lives up to our children’s expectations. (Applause.)

As has already been mentioned, Christina was given to us on September 11th, 2001, one of 50 babies born that day to be pictured in a book called “Faces of Hope.” On either side of her photo in that book were simple wishes for a child’s life. “I hope you help those in need,” read one. “I hope you know all the words to the National Anthem and sing it with your hand over your heart." (Applause.) "I hope you jump in rain puddles.”

If there are rain puddles in Heaven, Christina is jumping in them today. (Applause.) And here on this Earth -- here on this Earth, we place our hands over our hearts, and we commit ourselves as Americans to forging a country that is forever worthy of her gentle, happy spirit.

 

May God bless and keep those we’ve lost in restful and eternal peace. May He love and watch over the survivors. And may He bless the United States of America. (Applause.)

 

 

END 7:17 P.M. MST, Arizona

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Guest HUMAN

And that is one of the reasons we should not have Federal Employees posting on message boards on the clock.

Abuse of power.

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We need to make sure our Congressmen and Senators are safe. But, the federal government not start a witch hunt against people who have different points of view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-GBadKiLMo

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Guest Tea Party Patriot

I am not a Federal employee son. I have been retired now for over 10 years. What are you driving at?

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Guest HUMAN

I'm not typing about you. I am typing about "Law" though. She IS a federal employee who has played on the clock.

 

It is to her advantage to see a bigger federal government.

 

She is not the first one that I have caught playing online, but she is the first one that I have taken out sanctions against though.

 

LOL I even gave her a way to save face.

 

I am NO angel myself, but I always knew what lines I could, and could not cross when I was in government.

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I am not a Federal employee son. I have been retired now for over 10 years. What are you driving at?

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There are so many politicians spending way too much time on Facebook on taxpayer time. Take a peak at what they are writing on Facebook.

 

http://www.facebook.com/barackobama

http://www.facebook.com/joebiden

http://www.facebook.com/johnboehner

http://www.facebook.com/HarryReid

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Senator-Mitch-McConnell/20163125303

http://www.facebook.com/johnmccain

http://www.facebook.com/johnkerry

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Eric-Cantor/10325470529

http://www.facebook.com/NancyPelosi

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Steny-Hoyer/7845419973?v=wall#!/pages/Steny-Hoyer/7845419973

http://www.facebook.com/usdos

http://www.facebook.com/ustreasury#!/ustreasury?v=wall

http://www.facebook.com/DeptofDefense?ref=mf&v=wall

http://www.facebook.com/DOJ

http://www.facebook.com/USInterior

 

My question is why are they using a third party application to market their legislation. Facebook is currently invested by Russian, Digital Sky and Goldman Sachs' secret list of investors.

 

Why is there not government applications that can do the same thing? The code is not that difficult to emulate.

 

Also, Facebook can remove any member and not give a reason. Sometime their program removes members for getting popular too fast or saying words that protest what is being broadcast. Way too scary for me.

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They are elected officials. No one elected law to play politics on the public dime.

 

Can you imagine if other federal or state employees decided to do the same, and not just online but offline as well?

 

There would be no boundaries "None" any more as to what state and federal employees could do.

 

The potentials for abuse are enormous.

 

That type of society? I sure as hell don't want to be a part of.

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There are so many politicians spending way too much time on Facebook on taxpayer time. Take a peak at what they are writing on Facebook.

 

http://www.facebook.com/barackobama

http://www.facebook.com/joebiden

http://www.facebook.com/johnboehner

http://www.facebook.com/HarryReid

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Senator-Mitch-McConnell/20163125303

http://www.facebook.com/johnmccain

http://www.facebook.com/johnkerry

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Eric-Cantor/10325470529

http://www.facebook.com/NancyPelosi

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Steny-Hoyer/7845419973?v=wall#!/pages/Steny-Hoyer/7845419973

http://www.facebook.com/usdos

http://www.facebook.com/ustreasury#!/ustreasury?v=wall

http://www.facebook.com/DeptofDefense?ref=mf&v=wall

http://www.facebook.com/DOJ

http://www.facebook.com/USInterior

 

My question is why are they using a third party application to market their legislation. Facebook is currently invested by Russian, Digital Sky and Goldman Sachs' secret list of investors.

 

Why is there not government applications that can do the same thing? The code is not that difficult to emulate.

 

Also, Facebook can remove any member and not give a reason. Sometime their program removes members for getting popular too fast or saying words that protest what is being broadcast. Way too scary for me.

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Are you stating that elected officials and their staff are not allowed to speak freely to the public? What about government departments and agencies?

 

http://www.facebook.com/ustreasury

 

http://www.facebook.com/EPA

 

http://www.facebook.com/government

 

There is also the dated wire approach.

 

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/us-census-bureau-daily-feature-for-january-16-113831124.html

 

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/video-from-us-department-of-state-available-on-thenewsmarketcom-secretary-of-state-hillary-rodham-clinton-remarks-on-us-and-china-arriving-at-a-critical-juncture-113811749.html

 

The people that post this stuff are clearly not elected officials. They are full time government workers.

 

From my vantage point most agencies are becoming less afraid of losing control of their information and more focused on allowing their personnel to use social media sites and tools to accomplish their mission. If you remember, Obama promised transparency. But, what I see is the government is passing the buck to capitalist vendors to accomplish its mission.

 

I can see it now.

 

When Facebook, Twitter, Youtube shutdown, government communication shuts down.

 

When Google and Microsoft search shuts down, government research shuts down.

 

You get my point. Once the baby boomers go, I do not know what is going to happen to Old Glory.

 

I just hope some see the light and clean out the crooks taking advantage of our government. Starting with the Federal Reserve and the cartel banks that surround them.

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Letting politicians use these tools are quite dangerous too. Look the special treatment from Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage got even though he admitted that he leaked out that Valerie Plame was a CIA agent.

 

http://articles.cnn.com/2006-09-08/politics/leak.armitage_1_novak-and-other-journalists-cia-officer-valerie-plame-patrick-fitzgerald?_s=PM:POLITICS

 

Instead of going to jail for endangering an agent, he gets treated like a hero and receives the Department of State Distinguished Honor Award. Now he serves on the Board of Directors of ConocoPhillips, ManTech International Corporation and Transcu Ltd.

 

This set a bad precedent and was one of the factors that got President Obama in office. People in power are still subject to the same laws as everyone of us.

 

 

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I'm not typing about you. I am typing about "Law" though. She IS a federal employee who has played on the clock.

 

It is to her advantage to see a bigger federal government.

 

She is not the first one that I have caught playing online, but she is the first one that I have taken out sanctions against though.

 

LOL I even gave her a way to save face.

 

I am NO angel myself, but I always knew what lines I could, and could not cross when I was in government.

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Human,

You are something else. You assume everything and know nothing. But, one thing is clear is that you are quite unbalanced and delusional. Your posts lean toward malice with a diabolical motif that is beyond me. All my posts are open public access. You go on a witch hunt without any reason to back you. I share truth and you share threats and general negativity. You fail at public debate, because you cannot argue against truth. I wonder if you actually are American at all?...

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Law I saw you back peddle so fast that you could have broken an olympic record for the back stroke.

 

I hope that you have learned your lesson by now. You want to hate me? Go ahead.

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Human,

You are something else. You assume everything and know nothing. But, one thing is clear is that you are quite unbalanced and delusional. Your posts lean toward malice with a diabolical motif that is beyond me. All my posts are open public access. You go on a witch hunt without any reason to back you. I share truth and you share threats and general negativity. You fail at public debate, because you cannot argue against truth. I wonder if you actually are American at all?...

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Use any weak metaphor you want. There is no rescue for you. You do not have a lesson to give. In fact, you are babbling fruitless slander worse than the Jabberwock.

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Republicans and Democrats working together. You disprove that point rather easily.

 

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Use any weak metaphor you want. There is no rescue for you. You do not have a lesson to give. In fact, you are babbling fruitless slander worse than the Jabberwock.

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I rest my case with your own words.

 

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I favor public servants working together in a open public forum bounded in reason.

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I rest my case with your own words.

 

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I rest that you are a complete ***case. You can fill in the words.

 

I believe that all parties involved in our Congress should work together without slander.

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When the internet and intranet comes together there is a problem?

 

In my time the internet, and intranet were seperate; That is no longer the case of which not only does it create a defacto big brother enviorment, but it also creates a hell of a Security problem for the United States Government.

 

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I rest that you are a complete ***case. You can fill in the words.

 

I believe that all parties involved in our Congress should work together without slander.

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Actually the government has private internet forums and wikis to use. Information is not allowed to the general public for security and copyright infringement reasons.

 

The goal now is the distribution of public information that agencies want us to know about. It is true that the traditional wire media is pretty much dead now days.

 

News agencies in the United States are getting fewer, so the networks and government are hoping that independent journalist will do their job for them.

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You brought up very good points there, but the forums that they use are just job related. They won't use them as they would on the net.

 

So they pop over here unto the net, but that is where it gets tricky because you no longer have those boundaries as you do in the government forums.

 

It becomes a very dangerous atmosphere for free speech, because it's no longer free speech, it's monitored speech.

 

You see where I am headed with this?

 

Plus my god!! They are using government computers on top of it all, and that's where the Security threat comes into play for the government.

 

<By the way; you are very refreshing in having this discussion with>.

 

 

 

 

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Actually the government has private internet forums and wikis to use. Information is not allowed to the general public for security and copyright infringement reasons.

 

The goal now is the distribution of public information that agencies want us to know about. It is true that the traditional wire media is pretty much dead now days.

 

News agencies in the United States are getting fewer, so the networks and government are hoping that independent journalist will do their job for them.

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You brought up very good points there, but the forums that they use are just job related. They won't use them as they would on the net.

 

So they pop over here unto the net, but that is where it gets tricky because you no longer have those boundaries as you do in the government forums.

 

It becomes a very dangerous atmosphere for free speech, because it's no longer free speech, it's monitored speech.

 

You see where I am headed with this?

 

Plus my god!! They are using government computers on top of it all, and that's where the Security threat comes into play for the government.

 

<By the way; you are very refreshing in having this discussion with>.

 

 

 

 

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I can see this is a heated topic. I think there has been so much financial scandal that people just want to move pass the smoke and mirrors and just want the truth. Rest assured the government has a communication network beyond what is revealed today. But, like any new technology there has to be protocols built into the system. I remember when common hackers where getting into the system. You are hearing less and less of those stories now. Our intelligence community is getting really good at protecting us. There are are forums just like this that discuss chatter around the world and predict scenarios of what will happen. The real difference is our technology is a generation ahead of public domain.

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Yet here we are, and there are people like "Law" who want a defacto Big Brother Internet.

 

She stated it herself clearly;

 

"LAW

Guests Posted Yesterday, 06:11 PM

 

I favor public servants working together in a open public forum bounded in reason."

 

 

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I can see this is a heated topic. I think there has been so much financial scandal that people just want to move pass the smoke and mirrors and just want the truth. Rest assured the government has a communication network beyond what is revealed today. But, like any new technology there has to be protocols built into the system. I remember when common hackers where getting into the system. You are hearing less and less of those stories now. Our intelligence community is getting really good at protecting us. There are are forums just like this that discuss chatter around the world and predict scenarios of what will happen. The real difference is our technology is a generation ahead of public domain.

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How is my stating public servants working together in a open public forum a "defacto Big Brother Internet." I do not see any civil liberties taken away. What you really are trying to say is that you would rather have the few watch the many. Instead of the many watching the few. The People are tired of closed-door meetings or back-room deals.

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In response in you TRYING to deflect the main issue at hand I will respond to you. It is funny that you never brought this up when your group rammed the health care Bill through.

 

You yourself have "as a government employee" tried curb civil liberties in here on the internet by anyone calling you out on the issue by issuing threats of slander.

 

There by curbing the right to free speech. How do you codify these gaps?

 

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How is my stating public servants working together in a open public forum a "defacto Big Brother Internet." I do not see any civil liberties taken away. What you really are trying to say is that you would rather have the few watch the many. Instead of the many watching the few. The People are tired of closed-door meetings or back-room deals.

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In response in you TRYING to deflect the main issue at hand I will respond to you. It is funny that you never brought this up when your group rammed the health care Bill through.

 

You yourself have "as a government employee" tried curb civil liberties in here on the internet by anyone calling you out on the issue by issuing threats of slander.

 

There by curbing the right to free speech. How do you codify these gaps?

 

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"when your group rammed the health care Bill through."

 

You watch too much Fox News.

 

You're aware that this idea was originally Nixon's in the 70's right? So I suppose yes, this bill has been "Rammed Down the Throat of the American Public" in the mind-blowingly short time span of 36 years, give or take.

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