dattaswami Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Even the primordial energy is a form of work only 72) Kriyaarupamulashakteranubhavopi bhramah paramaarthe . (Even the primordial energy is a form of work only and its experience as inert energy is illusion, but, this illusion is restricted to the absolute plane). We have proved that the matter is also a form of work and its experience as matter is illusion. Similarly, the inert energy, which is in the primary causal form as primordial energy is also a form of work only and its experience as energy is also illusion. But this illusion cannot be taken to be in the relative world, which is the experience of the human beings. Only in the absolute plane, which means the view of God, this primordial energy is treated as a form of work and an illusion. Here you must differentiate the case of matter from the case of primordial energy. In the case of matter, the illusion of the experience of solid state is due to the work of primordial energy. Thus, the worker is known in the case of matter in the relative plane itself. But if you take the case of primordial energy, it is realized as work but the worker is not realized in the relative plane because the primordial energy itself is the ultimate worker in the relative world. Hence, the worker of primordial energy can be only realized in the absolute plane and never in the relative plane. Hence, you cannot completely declare the primordial energy as an illusion since the worker of primordial energy is never realized in the relative plane. The worker of the primordial energy being realized as work is God Himself and since God cannot be realized in the relative plane, you cannot cross the illusion of primordial energy. Only God can cross this ultimate illusion of the primordial energy or Mula prakruti or Mula maya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sharon_* Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 How could you know any of this. Is this a theory made up in your head? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dattaswami Posted April 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 How could you know any of this. Is this a theory made up in your head? The spiritual knowledge or philosophy (Vedanta) is generally based on logic (Tarka). God is certainly above the logic and thus logic cannot touch Him (Naisha Tarkena -Veda). Nobody can show God by the indicating finger. Veda clearly states that God is beyond words, mind, intelligence and logic and the best way of explanation is silence about God. If that is so, there is no necessity of spiritual knowledge, because God cannot be known or imagined. Then what is the use of all these scriptures? Why are there so many discussions and debates? Lord Yama says in Veda that angels and sages are still discussing about God and have concluded that God is unknowable. Here unknowable means unimaginable even to the logic. They have not conducted such long discussions to know simply that God is unknowable because it is not the object as my friend says! If God is said to be unimaginable, what is the subject of discussions? The answer is that the logic used in long discussions is not about God but about the Non-God entities (items of creation). Certainly, we cannot know God by logic or by any other means, but we can use the logic to reject a Non-God item projected as God. When you say that awareness is God, we will use the logic and see whether awareness is an item of creation. If it is an item of creation, certainly it can be analyzed by logic. If logic fails to analyze it, certainly we will accept it as God. Similarly we shall apply the logic to several entities rejected as God and see whether any item is beyond logic. The logic is the analytical faculty supported by practical examples, which stands as experimental verification. The ancient Indian logic was developed based on practical examples like mud pot etc. The advancement in logic took place from time to time and the logic was more and more sharpened. The authoritative parameters (Pramanas) have improved in number and therefore the schools of Nyaya, Vaiseshika and Vedanta differed in the subject of logic. The number of Pramanas increased from 2 to 4 and finally became 6 in Vedanta. This shows the improvement of logic in course of time. Today science is the most advanced logic since the experimental verification was improved. Therefore if I am explaining the philosophy based on science, it means that the philosophy is more and more clear due to the advanced logic. I told you already that the logic (science) is only useful to refuse any item of creation as not God. The creator cannot be any item of the creation. If creator becomes creation, there must be some other creator for this creator to become the creation. Ad-infinitum (Anavastha) results. Science disproved some conclusions of the earlier logic and this should not be misunderstood as refusing God. God is in no way touched because the earlier logic also was dealing with only the analysis of created items. Tarka means the analysis of the items of creation, which are indicated and understood by their corresponding names or words (Tarkyante Padarthah Asminniti….). God is beyond all the words and cannot be the understood meaning of any word and therefore, logic cannot touch God. At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami Anil Antony www.universal-spirituality.org Universal Spirituality for World Peace antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brad Kurst Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Who is Lord Yama and how does he know that angels and sages are still discussing about God. Where is the logic to that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dattaswami Posted January 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Who is Lord Yama and how does he know that angels and sages are still discussing about God. Where is the logic to that? The only information that we can give about the Absolute God is that He is un-imaginable For example, when Krishna lifted the huge mountain, the entire body of Krishna is withstanding the huge load of the hill and hence we infer that the entire body of Krishna is pervaded by the un-imaginable God (Antarbahishcha... Veda). Here again, the all over pervasion has no direct proof as in the case of air entering the room and pervading all over the room. Both the air and the room are imaginable items and we cannot apply this process to the all over pervasion of un-imaginable God in the imaginable body of Krishna. Hence, we are only inferring the actions of un-imaginable God and these actions are also un-imaginable and cannot be compared to the imaginable processes taking place in the case of imaginable items. We only say that God entered or God pervaded etc. and these processes cannot be compared to the imaginable processes taking place in the imaginable items. The only information that we can give about the Absolute God is that He is un-imaginable. The only experience of the Absolute God is the inferred experience of existence of the un-imaginable nature. Such experience stands as the proof for the un-imaginable nature of God. www.universal-spirituality.org Universal Spirituality for World Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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