Turkish army chief says U.S. ties at risk

[Guest human_*]

The democrats quest "For Power NO MATTER WHAT"?

Hey!!!! To the Democrats that was real genius in what you did in pissing off turkey.

 

To the Democrats; I never understood you when it came to the United States LONG TERM Security Interests that YOU democrats would always undermine our countries' position.

 

Hey! It's one thing to hate the Republicans, but to undermine your own country?

 

WHY?????

 

Look! you enjoy hating my group "the Republicans" ,and hey! that's what you are into. Hate my group to your hearts content.. All that I ask? Is that you DON'T take it out on the ENTIRE country

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071014/pl_nm/...usa_military_dc

 

By Paul de Bendern

2 hours, 10 minutes ago

 

ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkey's powerful military chief said on Sunday if the U.S. Congress approved a resolution branding the 1915 killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turks genocide ties between the NATO allies would never be the same again.

 

 

Ankara is a crucial ally for Washington which relies on Turkey as a logistical base for the war in Iraq.

 

Some analysts believe the vote could weaken Washington's influence over Turkey and increase the likelihood of a Turkish incursion into northern Iraq to crush Kurdish separatist rebels who use the territory to stage attacks into Turkey.

 

"If the resolution that has passed in the U.S. committee is accepted by the assembly of the House of Representatives our military relations with the United States can never be the same again," chief of General Staff, General Yasar Buyukanit, told newspaper Milliyet.

 

The top Democrat in the House of Representatives said on Sunday she intended to press ahead with the resolution, despite White House concerns it would damage relations with Turkey.

 

"I said if it passed the committee that we would bring it to the floor," House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi said in an interview on ABC television's "This Week."

 

The Turkish government is to seek approval from parliament this week for a major operation against separatist Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) militants based in the Iraqi mountains.

 

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Saturday she had urged the Turkish government to refrain from any major military operation in northern Iraq. U.S. officials fear such a move could destabilize a relatively peaceful area of Iraq.

 

Turkish artillery fired seven to eight shells into a village in northern Iraq late on Saturday, witnesses said, the latest bout of shelling of the mountainous border area where separatist guerrillas are believed to hide out.

 

AMBASSADOR RECALLED

 

Ankara recalled its ambassador from the United States for consultations after the U.S. congressional committee vote, which was condemned in predominantly Muslim but secular Turkey.

 

The House of Representatives is due to vote on the symbolic measure, sponsored by a California lawmaker whose district has a large Armenian-American constituency, by mid-November.

 

Republicans on Sunday called on Pelosi to block the measure.

 

U.S. President George W. Bush voiced his concerns last week, saying: "This resolution is not the right response to these historic mass killings, and its passage would do great harm to our relations with a key ally in NATO and in the global war on terror."

 

Potential retaliatory moves by Turkey could include blocking U.S. access to the Incirlik air base, cancelling procurement contracts, denying airspace to U.S. aircraft and halting joint military exercises, diplomats say.

 

"I'm the chief of General Staff. I deal with security issues, I'm not a politician ... in this respect the United States has shot itself in the foot," Buyukanit said.

 

Turkey rejects the Armenian position, backed by many Western historians and some foreign parliaments, that up to 1.5 million Armenians suffered genocide at the hands of Ottoman Turks.

 

Turkey says many Muslim Turks died alongside Christian Armenians in inter-ethnic conflict in World War One.

 

Patriarch Mesrob II, the Istanbul-based spiritual leader of Turkey's Armenians, was quoted by state-run Anatolian news agency as saying his community opposed the U.S. bill. He has long called for dialogue to deal with past injustices.

 

Two senior U.S. officials visited Ankara on Saturday for talks with Turkish officials to try to ease tensions.

 

(Additional reporting by Gareth Jones in Ankara and Mark Felsenthal in Washington)

[Karl Rudder]

I fail to see the point of your effort at addressing the topic of your composition. Your disorganized address to whatever you were trying to address, if not your very insulting referral to "Washington" completely overlooks the fact that the residents of the District of Columbia do not have control of their own tax revenue nor are actively represented in both the House and the Senate of the Congress of these "United" States. I do not consider such an oversight as a mere coincidence.

Are you seriously concerned more about random international issues such as a country that you refer to as being "turkey" and you willfully will ignore the the social,political,economic oppression of the political rights of the residents of the District of Columbia? That is a specific question and please specifically respond to that issue rather than ramble around as you did with your far from researched reply to an issue concerning a Turkish Army Chief.

[Guest ALWAYS RED]

I fail to see the point of your effort at addressing the topic of your composition. Your disorganized address to whatever you were trying to address, if not your very insulting referral to "Washington" completely overlooks the fact that the residents of the District of Columbia do not have control of their own tax revenue nor are actively represented in both the House and the Senate of the Congress of these "United" States. I do not consider such an oversight as a mere coincidence.

 

This forum is clearly Middle East Politics Mr. Rudder. This is not District of Columbia politics topic.

 

I agree with Human that the Democratic party is trying to purposely sabotage our relationship with a country is that is our ally in the war in Iraq.

 

There were problems with the Ottoman empire. But, that is not present day Turkey. What happenned there a century ago should be not be a major issue today. Should Americans look at present day Germany as a country of Nazis? Should Americans look at present day Japan as a nation planning to bomb Pearl Harbor? Should Americans look at Britains as a bunch of Redcoats?

 

Why now do the Democrats want to incite a country that is a major supply line to maintaing our troops?

 

The answer is that the Democrats wants the United States to lose the war in Iraq. Do you have any friends who are currently fighting there? Do you have any family fighting in Iraq? I bet not.

[Luke_Wilbur]

It is interesting to see that the rising tensions between Iraq and Turkey caused oil prices to hit a record high.

[Karl Rudder]

This forum is clearly Middle East Politics Mr. Rudder. This is not District of Columbia politics topic.

 

I agree with Human that the Democratic party is trying to purposely sabotage our relationship with a country is that is our ally in the war in Iraq.

 

There were problems with the Ottoman empire. But, that is not present day Turkey. What happenned there a century ago should be not be a major issue today. Should Americans look at present day Germany as a country of Nazis? Should Americans look at present day Japan as a nation planning to bomb Pearl Harbor? Should Americans look at Britains as a bunch of Redcoats?

 

Why now do the Democrats want to incite a country that is a major supply line to maintaing our troops?

 

The answer is that the Democrats wants the United States to lose the war in Iraq. Do you have any friends who are currently fighting there? Do you have any family fighting in Iraq? I bet not.

 

The loss of American life in Iraq is a national if not an international issue Mr. Wilbur not a personal issue. Your ending your approach to this conflict, not war, with a personal challenge of my being able to provide the names of family members that I have fighting in Iraq is what I consider an element of a game that goes by the name of politricks. A very important element to the game of politricks is just how did "We the people" become not being an American citizen but rather being either a Democrat or a Republican. I will leave the terms "liberal" and "conservative" open for discussion.

Your impression that the, "Demorcrats wants the United States to lose the war in Iraq" implies that you are under the impression that surely someone can win such a conflict. How would you define a "victory" in Iraq?

Ireland, Israel and so many other locations of constant violence on this "civilized" planet await your response.

From my being a native Washingtonian I will ask that you please refer to Congress or Bush and other specific terms rather than a loose referral to "Washington" in your reply.

Edited October 16, 2007 by Karl Rudder

[Guest human_*]

Oh Karl,Karl,Karil. You never bothered to look under Administrative Law?

 

You know before findlaw became a search engine; it had it's beginnings in a chartroom!

 

Now, you want to see a Lawyer Sweat?

 

Send a Lawyer from chartroom A, into Chartroom B "Nurses Chat". <------------- When these two found each other? It was one of those few times that I actually fealt SORRY for the LAWYERS.

 

Ya know what breaks my heart now? Everyone knows that I use bi-focals.

 

 

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I fail to see the point of your effort at addressing the topic of your composition. Your disorganized address to whatever you were trying to address, if not your very insulting referral to "Washington" completely overlooks the fact that the residents of the District of Columbia do not have control of their own tax revenue nor are actively represented in both the House and the Senate of the Congress of these "United" States. I do not consider such an oversight as a mere coincidence.

Are you seriously concerned more about random international issues such as a country that you refer to as being "turkey" and you willfully will ignore the the social,political,economic oppression of the political rights of the residents of the District of Columbia? That is a specific question and please specifically respond to that issue rather than ramble around as you did with your far from researched reply to an issue concerning a Turkish Army Chief.

[Karl Rudder]

Oh Karl,Karl,Karil. You never bothered to look under Administrative Law?

 

You know before findlaw became a search engine; it had it's beginnings in a chartroom!

 

Now, you want to see a Lawyer Sweat?

 

Send a Lawyer from chartroom A, into Chartroom B "Nurses Chat". <------------- When these two found each other? It was one of those few times that I actually fealt SORRY for the LAWYERS.

 

Ya know what breaks my heart now? Everyone knows that I use bi-focals.

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I think I need another translation from Mr. Wilbur or someone else because I fail to understand the point or the elements of support to your composition.

Slow down, don't move too fast. You've got to make your message last.

A common referral to Washington is no longer acceptable by Karl. It is time for all of us to improve our spelling skills, typing skills and confidence in knowing that when you are actually referring to irresponsible Congressional action or the ridiculous acts of a President that it is essential to effective communication that you state just that and not employ a random referral to

Washington.

Your random referral to what kind of glasses you wear is meaningless unless you find it necessary to let me know that your lenses are 3/4 of an inch thick.

"Oh, I see!",said the blind man.

[Luke_Wilbur]

The democrats quest "For Power NO MATTER WHAT"?

Hey!!!! To the Democrats that was real genius in what you did in pissing off turkey.

 

To the Democrats; I never understood you when it came to the United States LONG TERM Security Interests that YOU democrats would always undermine our countries' position.

 

Hey! It's one thing to hate the Republicans, but to undermine your own country?

 

WHY?????

 

Look! you enjoy hating my group "the Republicans" ,and hey! that's what you are into. Hate my group to your hearts content.. All that I ask? Is that you DON'T take it out on the ENTIRE country

 

Karl,

I think Human was referring to members of the Democratic Party. This includes elected officials and the citizens that voted the current members of Congress into office. You are right that citizens of the District of Columbia should not be found guilty of current government mishaps. But, we have the right to freely speak about about what we think should have been done. Our elected leaders do endorsements. Mayor Fenty has given his endorsement of Barack Obama as President through public channels. The one vote that the District had was for Presidents. A majority of District citizens did not vote for George W. Bush. I know Eleanor Holmes Norton is Democrat. She has strong ties with Independant Senator Lieberman. I am willing to bet that the District would have an independant candidate as well. Just my opinion. I think the Republicans should give District residents the right of representation. This is not England. This is not Rome. If the Federal Government cannot fix a problem it falls to the United States to fix it. After the war The United States needs to have a Constitutional Convention and close some of the back doors of Tyranny. But, not now.

 

Americans need to realize that we are in this war for the long haul. Hillary Clinton will most likely win the democratic nomination. The Senator has stated that she is not in favor an immediate withdraw. But, it is the actions of Nancy Pelosi that have Republicans worrying. I do not know if our local leaders have made opinions on this issue. Do you?

 

The whole question turns upon the meaning of the words 'smuggle' and 'clandestinely introduce.' I have given my reasons for believing that they include an importation of goods with an intent to evade the duties,-the right to which has already attached,-and I am at a loss to understand why an obsolete definition of the English law should be rehabilitated to defeat the manifest intention of congress. - KECK v. U S, 172 U.S. 434 (1899)

[Karl Rudder]

Karl,

I think Human was referring to members of the Democratic Party. This includes elected officials and the citizens that voted the current members of Congress into office. You are right that citizens of the District of Columbia should not be found guilty of current government mishaps. But, we have the right to freely speak about about what we think should have been done. Our elected leaders do endorsements. Mayor Fenty has given his endorsement of Barack Obama as President through public channels. The one vote that the District had was for Presidents. A majority of District citizens did not vote for George W. Bush. I know Eleanor Holmes Norton is Democrat. She has strong ties with Independant Senator Lieberman. I am willing to bet that the District would have an independant candidate as well. Just my opinion. I think the Republicans should give District residents the right of representation. This is not England. This is not Rome. If the Federal Government cannot fix a problem it falls to the United States to fix it. After the war The United States needs to have a Constitutional Convention and close some of the back doors of Tyranny. But, not now.

 

Americans need to realize that we are in this war for the long haul. Hillary Clinton will most likely win the democratic nomination. The Senator has stated that she is not in favor an immediate withdraw. But, it is the actions of Nancy Pelosi that have Republicans worrying. I do not know if our local leaders have made opinions on this issue. Do you?

 

Luke,

 

As the residents of Washington DC gain political rights in this country I think it will be essential that our fellow Americans learn how to begin to specifically refer to what aspect of the legislative, administrative or judicial aspect of the Federal government is at fault in respect to their manner of approach to an issue.

You seem to agree and yet insisted that , "we have the right to freely speak about what we think should have been done." Calm down. I never denied you any aspect of your freedom of speech. My point is that there are very few political issues that are simple and the worst thing we can do is further complicate an issue by not even being able to responsibly and specifically refer to it.

In my view, your rambling on and on about various issues of what you think Norton is all about and who Mayor Fenty endorsed as a candidate for being the next President of this country does not have the slightest thing to do with the international politics of this country.

I trust you are aware that it clearly appears that this new day brings a new area of controversy for Hillary. This new area of controversy may well dismiss your speculation on her being able to be nominated as the Democratic nominee to be the next President.

Our challenge to effectively address any element of local, national or international politics will begin by our skill in being able to be organized and clearly identify exactly; 1) what we are talking about, 2)who is in need of better address to a specific issue,3) when that address should be expressed,4) how that issue is in need of being corrected and 5)why an address to that issue is so urgent. Of course being able to clearly refer to where that issue is being expressed will allow all of us to know clearly whether the issue is of local, national or international importance.

Your analysis of what you think someone had meant to refer to is in need of being replaced by having that person, all by themselves, clearly address a specific issue.

Doctors go to medical school and then must choose an area to specialize in just like mechanics, architects, computer specialists and every other profession. Our mission, should we decide to accept it, will be to clearly identify and address an issue of local, national if not international, social, political or economic concern and do our best to address it without talking about Sen. Craig.

You may have read what I wrote. Do you understand what I meant?

Edited October 17, 2007 by Karl Rudder

[Guest human_*]

AlwaysRed is correct, and you "Karl" want type about disorganized? WHERE in your paper do you site ANY legislative zoning laws? "Honey".

 

For all I know you could be arguing Administrative Rules, and not on the law itself.

The administrative Rules ARE an interpretation of legislative law.

[Karl Rudder]

AlwaysRed is correct, and you "Karl" want type about disorganized? WHERE in your paper do you site ANY legislative zoning laws? "Honey".

 

For all I know you could be arguing Administrative Rules, and not on the law itself.

The administrative Rules ARE an interpretation of legislative law.

 

May I ask "Human" if you are seriously allergic to being clear on what you are talking about? What paper are you referring to and asking me "WHERE in your paper do you site ANY legislative zoning laws? Contain your hopes because the name that I respond to is Karl not "Honey" or "Karil" as you have strangely tried to express to me either through a lack of typing skills or hope that I will be impressed by your referring to me as being "Honey".

Why did you leave this issue under the title concerning the Turkish Chief ?

Surely you can't be talking about my paper available on google.com under the title, "Karl Rudder's Blog" - The Unchallenged DC Taxicab Fare Structure provides the best copy of my research - that specifically referred to DC Public Utilities Commission order no. 956 that had denied," any version of the zone system to replace the use of meters in DC taxicabs." Call the Public Service Commission and ask for your free copy of that document. That will greatly help you begin to study and get to know what you are talking about.

Your most recent address to me then went on to express meaningless rhetoric of what you "know". Let me make the point again that in order to "know" anything that you will need to first express an effort at studying it? What specific issue did you ever study before you came to "know" anything about it? Your ability to answer that question will graduate your conversation at me to being far more of being able to be with me!

Take your time and organize yourself before you attempt to address me again. There must be a clear beginning, middle and end to whatever you are trying to compose. I began this address to you by asking just what are you referring to. Right now I do not have the slightest idea of what you are referring to and from what you wrote I doubt that you can confidently refer specifically to whatever paper that I wrote that you are now attempting to challenge. My confidence in the organized manner in which I have always addressed the unique and corrupt DC taxicab zone system allows me to be certain that you can't possibly be talking about my address to the DC Taxicab Zone System.

Please ask a friend of yours to come over and help you learn how to copy/paste the material that you are were atempting to refer to for the sake of clarity should you ever again try and address and attempt to challenge me on something that I have written about in respect to "zones".

I know you may have read everything that I have just written. What I seriously doubt (remains unknown) is whether you realize that what you read is not at all what I had meant. There are many elements in this world that remain unknown! 2c + 19 = 3 + 4c

Fortunately a sincere effort will reveal if not clearly define many elements of the unknown.

Edited October 17, 2007 by Karl Rudder

[Guest human_*]

Karl, nice attempt at childish humor. So your argument is clearly rules based and not legislative based.

 

When you can figure out the difference between the two? Then come back to me.

 

 

OH!!!! Did you hear of the news reports of Turkey thinking of entering Iraq?

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May I ask "Human" if you are seriously allergic to being clear on what you are talking about? What paper are you referring to and asking me "WHERE in your paper do you site ANY legislative zoning laws? Contain your hopes because the name that I respond to is Karl not "Honey" or "Karil" as you have strangely tried to express to me either through a childish sense of arrogance or lack of typing skills.

Surely you can't be talking about my paper available on google.com under the title, "Karl Rudder's Blog" - The Unchallenged DC Taxicab Fare Structure provides the best copy of my research - that specifically referred to DC Public Utilities Commission order no. 956 that had denied," any version of the zone system to replace the use of meters in DC taxicabs."

You then went on to express meaningless rhetoric of what you "know". Did you realize that in order to "know" anything that you will need to express an effort at studying it? What issue did you study before you came to "know" anything about it? Your ability to answer that question will graduate your conversation at me to being far more of being able to be with me!

Take your time and organize yourself before you attempt to address me again. There must be a clear beginning, middle and end to whatever you are trying to compose. I began this address to you by asking just what are you referring to. Right now I do not have the slightest idea of what you are referring to and from what you wrote I doubt that you can confidently refer specifically to it. My confidence in the organized manner in which I have always addressed the unique and corrupt DC taxicab zone system allows me to be certain that you can't possibly be talking about my address to the DC Taxicab Zone System.

Please ask a friend of yours to come over and help you learn how to copy/paste the material that you are were atempting to refer to for the sake of clarity should you ever again try and address and attempt to challenge me on something that I have written about in respect to "zones".

I know you may have read everything that I have just written. What I seriously doubt (remains unknown) is whether you realize that what you read is not at all what I had meant. There are many elements in this world that remain unknown! 2c + 19 = 3 + 4c

Fortunately a sincere effort will reveal if not clearly define many elements of the unknown.

[wiley]

Please stay on topic. The issue being addressed is the Turkish army chief says U.S. ties at risk. If you want to address another issue then create a different topic and post it in the right category. Thanks in advance. Moderator

[Luke_Wilbur]

My point is that there are very few political issues that are simple and the worst thing we can do is further complicate an issue by not even being able to responsibly and specifically refer to it.

 

Karl,

What do you think the title should be titled?

 

In my view, your rambling on and on about various issues of what you think Norton is all about and who Mayor Fenty endorsed as a candidate for being the next President of this country does not have the slightest thing to do with the international politics of this country.

 

Karl,

In my opinion it does. Mayor Fenty has the right to endorse whoever and whatever he wants. But, when a District public servant gets large public media attention and makes political endorsements, residents of the District of Columbia and anyone on this planet should have the right to question their endorsements. In this case, Mayor Fenty has given his political endorsement of a Democratic candidate that is currently making important foreign policy decisions.

 

I am not questioning the political leadership of Obama or anyone in this topic. But, Human is has made a statement that the Democratic Party leaders are causing a problem with the our country's relations with Turkey.

 

Our challenge to effectively address any element of local, national or international politics will begin by our skill in being able to be organized and clearly identify exactly; 1) what we are talking about, 2)who is in need of better address to a specific issue,3) when that address should be expressed,4) how that issue is in need of being corrected and 5)why an address to that issue is so urgent.

 

1. We are talking about the Turkish army chief says U.S. ties at risk

2. The American people need to see this issue

3. U.S. Congress approved a resolution branding the 1915 killing of Armenians

4. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi wants to bring the resolution to the floor.

5. Turkey has stated ties between the United States and their government will not be the same. The Turkish government is shelling northern Iraq and possible halting us military and support supply lines coming from their country.

 

I thank you for expressing your framework for discussion. It is now posted for people to decide to use this method. But, people are able to other methods of communication that is comfortable with them. My only request is that we stay on the topic that has been posted.

[Guest Ministry of Foreign Affairs]

In its meeting on October 10, 2007, the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the US House of Representatives has adopted draft House Resolution 106, with 27 votes for and 21 against, which characterizes the relocation decision taken by the Ottoman Government in 1915 with regard to a portion of its Armenian subjects who were in collaboration with invading forces as “genocide”.

 

The nature of the events of 1915 is still being debated. Contrary to Armenian claims, many internationally-renowned historians consider the relocation decision in this period as a war-time security measure that was taken under the conditions of the First World War.

 

It is blatantly obvious that the House Committee on Foreign Affairs does not have a task or function to re-write history by distorting a matter which specifically concerns the common history of Turks and Armenians. The responsibility of parliaments is to further improve relations between peoples and look to the future, not to the past. Turkey has been advocating for years that disputed periods in history should be evaluated by historians, not legislative bodies. Turkey’s call to Armenia in 2005, to examine our common history through the study of uncontested archival documents by historians from Turkey, Armenia, and as necessary from third countries, is a clear manifestation of this approach. While our proposal aimed at reconciling the opposing narratives between Turkey and Armenia with regard to the events of 1915 through a sincere and open dialogue is still on the table and has not, as yet, been responded to favorably by Armenia, the passing of such a resolution by the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives of the US, our ally, has been most unfortunate.

 

Instead of accepting our sincere proposal, the ill-conceived agenda pursued by Armenia to promote the adoption of this resolution both behind the scenes and recently out in the open has also been noted.

 

Our Government resents and condemns this decision. It is not possible to accept such an accusation of a crime which was never committed by the Turkish nation.

 

Throughout the debate leading to the consideration of H.Res.106 in Committee, the US Administration at the highest level and numerous eminent, experienced and responsible personalities in the US have decisively spoken out against this resolution and actively opposed it. The fact that this resolution was voted on and adopted in Committee despite this means that those who have voted for it and those who have encouraged them have become responsible before history. It is an irresponsible act for a Committee of the House of Representatives to pass, in this manner and at an extremely critical time, a draft that will not only endanger the relations with a friendly and allied nation but also jeopardize a strategic partnership that has been cultivated for generations.

 

We still hope that common sense will prevail and that the House of Representatives will not move this resolution any further. At this point, the responsibility that falls on the Speaker of the House of Representatives as well as all its members is obvious.

 

We will exert every effort to prevent the passage of this resolution from the House of Representatives.

 

Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Balgat 06100 Ankara - Turkey

Tel: (0312) 292 10 00

[Guest Nejat Göyünç]

In 1915, the Armenians, some of whom were engaged in activities against the state and living in areas near the battlefields and in neighbouring areas in ‹stanbul and in Anatolia, were exiled to more secure areas within the Ottoman boundaries of that time.

 

It was not denied that some distasteful events took place then, but one must never overlook that the Turks themselves punished 1,397 people for their unapprovable activities. While these events are used as pretexts today, it is a duty and responsibility to remind people of what some Armenians did against the Turks during the same period and the baseless accusations and mounting efforts against the Turks later.

 

Following the ceasefire of Mondros (Mudros) on 30 October 1918, what the Armenian Legion that entered Adana and Saimbeyli (Hacin) did while wearing French uniforms caused the revolt even of the celebrated French man of letters Pierre Loti who wrote that the claims of Armenian genocide

"were in fact invented by the British (inventés par les anglais)".

 

The archival documents have been published in English and Turkish as to how Armenians killed hundreds of thousands of Turks and Muslims between 1906 and 1922 in the Caucasus and in Anatolia and who were the killers, how and where.

 

The barbaric and inhuman murders and activities that the Armenians carried out in Anatolia have even entered Turkish folk legends and

laments. One of these is called the “Lament of Hacin:”

 

They are the ones that mowed us down that day,

They impaled us on slaughterhouse hooks too.

Let all this be known to Do an Bey:

They are the ones that raided Urumlu.

Go to sleep, sleep, my son Osman,

A well of blood is what was Hacin village;

We failed to take it though we attacked on:

Sultan’s Stream is a token of the pillage.

 

They flayed Brave Genco:

His flesh is all bruised and burnt;

They murdered the Chief Clerk,

Bludgeoned him to death with their cudgels.

They set up infernal cauldrons

In which they boiled babies;

They rounded up innocent young ladies,

At bayonet point they made them dance.

 

In 1920 the Armenians who were members of the French Legion and who came to the village of Do anbeyli near Kozan and to Hacin burned both of the two settlements and tortured the Turkish people to death in a hideous fashion. The “Lament” above is for Hacin.

 

The following year it was the turn of the Nationalist Forces to surround Hacin for nine months and ‘took revenge’ on the Armenians for what had happened the previous year.

 

The “Do an Bey” who is mentioned in the “Lament” is the same person as Capt. Kemâl Bey who was appointed to the command of the Nationalist Forces of this region by Mustafa Kemâl Pafla while he was in S›vas in October 1919.

 

Armenian massacres did not remain unreciprocated. Every calamity produces a responsive disaster, and the Armenians at times paid the price for the cruelties they perpetrated.

 

Do these kinds of reciprocal events, presented as if only one side carried out a strike, help anything other than satisfying those addicted to one-sided politics?

 

Why not emphasise instead the deep cultural ties between the two peoples?

 

What does it serve to incite enmity and hatred and ignore the mutual influences that have enriched the centuries-old ties?

 

What does it serve to dwell on claims that nourish a policy that the Turks carried out “genocide” against the Armenians and to unilaterally exaggerate sporadic violent events that occurred between the two communities?

 

There is no place in science for attitudes harboring one-sided prejudice to serve unbalanced claims.

[Guest ALWAYS RED]

Iraq Prime Minister Maliki has sent Vice President Hashimi to Turkey in order to work with that nation, and making sure that they can resolve problems. General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker are working with the Iraqis as well as the Turkish government. The Iraqis themselves want to have good relations with Turkey, and that is why Vice President Hashimi was sent to Turkey by Prime Minister Maliki to establish those good relations and make sure that the PKK problem in the north can be dealt with forthwith.

 

Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh made a statement to the press at the White House.

 

Turkey is very important partner with Iraq. Iraqi government is calling the Turkish government not to use the military solution and refrain from crossing Iraqi borders. The government of Iraq understand the great suffer of Turkish people from terrorist attack of PKK. Iraqi government is doing its utmost to ban the activities of PKK in northern of Iraq.

 

But we do understand that there is this problem that cannot be solved by any military. Turkish had tried since 15 years to cross the border, at the time of Saddam, but they didn't get rid of PKK, so we are calling Turkish to use other means. It is their issue, it is their decision, but not to use a military solution only.