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  1. The 186th Article

    Who are most pitiful.
    Those who feel themselves very weak and subject to the adversities of fortune seem to be more inclined to this passion than any else, because they fancy the evil of another as possible to befall them, and so they are moved to pity rather out of the love they bear themselves than that they bear to others.

    The 187th Article

    How the most generous men are sensible of this passion.
    But nevertheless, they who are most generous and have the greatest spirits so that they fear not any
    evil to themselves, and hold themselves above the power of fortune, are not exempted from compassion when they see the infirmity of other men and hear their complaints. For it is a part of generosity to bear goodwill to every man. But the sadness of this pity is not bitter, and like that which tragic actions personated (pretended) on the stage cause, is more in the exteriors and the senses, than the interiors of the soul, which in the meanwhile is satisfied to think she has done her duty, in that she has a fellow feeling with the afflicted. And there is this difference in it, that whereas the vulgar pity those who complain because they think the ills they suffer are very grievous (serious), the principal object of great men's pity is the weakness of those that they see complain; because they esteem not any accident that may befall to be so great an evil, as is the baseness of those who cannot suffer constantly; and though they hate the vices (wickedness), yet they hate not those they see subject to them, they only pity them.

    The 188th Article

    Who those are that are not sensible of it.
    But there are none but
    malignant and envious spirits who naturally hate all men, or else those who are so belluine (brutal) and blinded by good fortune, or desperate through ill, that they think no further evil can befall them who are insensible of pity.

    EZEKIEL 16

    16:1 The word of the Lord came to me: 16:2 “Son of man, confront Jerusalem with her abominable practices 16:3 and say, ‘This is what the sovereign Lord says to Jerusalem: Your origin and your birth were in the land of the Canaanites; your father was an Amorite and your mother a Hittite. 16:4 As for your birth, on the day you were born your umbilical cord was not cut, nor were you washed in water; you were certainly not rubbed down with salt, nor wrapped with blankets.  16:5 No eye took pity on you to do even one of these things for you to spare you; you were thrown out into the open field because you were detested on the day you were born.

    16:6 “‘I passed by you and saw you kicking around helplessly in your blood. I said to you as you lay there in your blood, “Live!” I said to you as you lay there in your blood, “Live!” 16:7 I made you plentiful like sprouts in a field; you grew tall and came of age so that you could wear jewelry. Your breasts had formed and your hair had grown, but you were still unclothed and bare.

    16:8 “‘Then I passed by you and watched you, noticing that you had reached the age for love. I spread my cloak over you and covered your nakedness. I swore a solemn oath to you and entered into a marriage covenant with you, declares the sovereign Lord, and you became mine.

    16:9 “‘Then I bathed you in water, washed the blood off you, and anointed you with fragrant oil. 16:10 I dressed you in embroidered clothing and put fine leather sandals on your feet. I wrapped you with fine linen and covered you with silk. 16:11 I adorned you with jewelry. I put bracelets on your hands and a necklace around your neck. 16:12 I put a ring in your nose, earrings on your ears, and a beautiful crown on your head. 16:13 You were adorned with gold and silver, while your clothing was of fine linen, silk, and embroidery. You ate the finest flour, honey, and olive oil. You became extremely beautiful and attained the position of royalty. 16:14 Your fame spread among the nations because of your beauty; your beauty was perfect because of the splendor which I bestowed on you, declares the sovereign Lord.  

    16:15 “‘But you trusted in your beauty and capitalized on your fame by becoming a prostitute. You offered your sexual favors to every man who passed by so that your beauty became his. 16:16 You took some of your clothing and made for yourself decorated high places; you engaged in prostitution on them. You went to him to become his. 13  16:17 You also took your beautiful jewelry, made of my gold and my silver I had given to you, and made for yourself male images and engaged in prostitution with them. 16:18 You took your embroidered clothing and used it to cover them; you offered my olive oil and my incense to them. 16:19 As for my food that I gave you – the fine flour, olive oil, and honey I fed you – you placed it before them as a soothing aroma. That is exactly what happened, declares the sovereign Lord.

    16:20 “‘You took your sons and your daughters whom you bore to me and you sacrificed them as food for the idols to eat. As if your prostitution not enough, 16:21 you slaughtered my children and sacrificed them to the idols. 16:22 And with all your abominable practices and prostitution you did not remember the days of your youth when you were unclothed and bare, kicking around in your blood.


    7:22 accordingly Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant. 7:23 And the others who became priests were numerous, because death prevented them from continuing in office,  7:24 but he holds his priesthood permanently since he lives forever. 7:25 So he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. 7:26 For it is indeed fitting for us to have such a high priest: holy, innocent, undefiled, separate from sinners, and exalted above the heavens. 7:27 He has no need to do every day what those priests do, to offer sacrifices first for their own sins and then for the sins of the people, since he did this in offering himself once for all. 7:28 For the law appoints as high priests men subject to weakness,  but the word of solemn affirmation that came after the law appoints a son made perfect forever.


    3:23 Now before faith came we were held in custody under the law, being kept as prisoners until the coming faith would be revealed. 3:24 Thus the law had become our guardian until Christ, so that we could be declared righteous by faith. 3:25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. 3:26 For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith. 3:27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female  – for all of you are one in Christ Jesus. 3:29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to the promise.

    4:1 Now I mean that the heir, as long as he is a minor, is no different from a slave, though he is the owner of everything. 4:2 But he is under guardians  and managers until the date set by his father. 4:3 So also we, when we were minors,  were enslaved under the basic forces of the world. 4:4 But when the appropriate time had come, God sent out his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 4:5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we may be adopted as sons with full rights. 8  4:6 And because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, who calls  “Abba! Father! 4:7 So you are no longer a slave but a son, and if you are a son, then you are also an heir through God. 

    4:8 Formerly when you did not know God, you were enslaved to beings that by nature are not gods at all. 4:9 But now that you have come to know God (or rather to be known by God), how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless basic forces? Do you want to be enslaved to them all over again?



    6:10 Finally, be strengthened in the Lord and in the strength of his power. 6:11 Clothe yourselves with the full armor of God so that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood,  but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavens. 26  6:13 For this reason, take up the full armor of God so that you may be able to stand your ground 27  on the evil day, and having done everything, to stand. 6:14 Stand firm therefore, by fastening 28  the belt of truth around your waist, 29  by putting on the breastplate of righteousness, 6:15 by fitting your 30  feet with the preparation that comes from the good news 31  of peace, 32  6:16 and in all of this, 33  by taking up the shield 34  of faith with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation 35  and the sword 36  of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 6:18 With every prayer and petition, pray 37  at all times in the Spirit, and to this end 38  be alert, with all perseverance and requests for all the saints. 6:19 Pray 39  for me also, that I may be given the message when I begin to speak 40  – that I may confidently make known 41  the mystery of the gospel, 6:20 for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may be able to speak boldly as I ought to speak.

    Is stoicheia tou kosmou (“the elemental things of the world”) the worthless basic forces  Paul is referencing? Event, occurrence, state, the force that came



    2:6 Therefore, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live your lives in him, 2:7 rooted and built up in him and firm in your faith just as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness. 2:8 Be careful not to allow anyone to captivate you through an empty, deceitful philosophy that is according to human traditions and the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. 2:9 For in him all the fullness of deity lives in bodily form, 2:10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head over every ruler and authority. 2:11 In him you also were circumcisednot, however, with a circumcision performed by human hands, but by the removal of the fleshly body, that is, through the circumcision done by Christ. 2:12 Having been buried with him in baptism, you also have been raised with him through your faith in the power of God who raised him from the dead. 2:13 And even though you were dead in your transgressions and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, he nevertheless made you alive with him, having forgiven all your transgressions. 2:14 He has destroyed what was against us, a certificate of indebtedness expressed in decrees opposed to us. He has taken it away by nailing it to the cross. 2:15 Disarming the rulers and authorities, he has made a public disgrace of them, triumphing over them by the cross.  

    2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you with respect to food or drink, or in the matter of a feast, new moon, or Sabbath days – 2:17 these are only the shadow of the things to come, but the reality is Christ! 2:18 Let no one who delights in humility and the worship of angels pass judgment on you. That person goes on at great lengths about what he has supposedly seen, but he is puffed up with empty notions by his fleshly mind. 37  2:19 He has not held fast to the head from whom the whole body, supported and knit together through its ligaments and sinews, grows with a growth that is from God.

    2:20 If you have died with Christ to the elemental spirits of the world, why do you submit to them as though you lived in the world? 2:21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!” 2:22 These are all destined to perish with use, founded as they are on human commands and teachings. 2:23 Even though they have the appearance of wisdom with their self-imposed worship and false humility achieved by an unsparing treatment of the body – a wisdom with no true value – they in reality result in fleshly indulgence. 

  2. The 183rd Article

    How it may be just or unjust.
    But when fortune sends goods to anyone whereof he is
    truly unworthy, and envy is not excited in us but because naturally, loving justice, we are vexed that it is not observed in the distribution of those goods, it is a zeal (passion) that may be excusable. Especially when the good a man envies others is of such a nature that it may turn to an evil in their hands, as if it be some command or office in the exercising whereof they may misdemean themselves. Yea, even when he desires that good for himself and cannot get it because others less worthy possess it. This makes this passion become the more violent; and yet it may be excusable, provided the hatred in it relate only to the ill distribution of the thing envied, and not to the persons that possess, or distribute it. But there are a few who are so just and generous as to bear no hatred against those that prevent them in the acquisition of a good that is not communicable to many, and that they desired it for themselves, though they who acquired it are as much or more worthy of it. And what is most usually envied is glory. For although that of others does not hinder us from aspiring thereunto, yet it makes the access to it more difficult, and enhances the price.

    The 184th Article

    From whence it comes that envious men have sallow complexions.
    there is no vice so baneful (harmful) to the felicity (happiness) of man as envy. For, besides that those who are tainted with it afflict themselves, they also, to the utmost of their power trouble the delight of others. And they have commonly sallow (pasty) complexions, that is, a pale mingled with yellow and black, and like blood in a bruise. Whence, envy is called in Latin "livor," which agrees very well with what has been said here before of the motions of the blood in sadness and hatred; for this causes the yellow choler coming from the lower part of the liver, and the black coming from the spleen, to spread from the heart through the arteries into all the veins; and that causes the blood of the veins to have less heat, and flow more slowly than ordinarily, which is sufficient to make the complexion livid. But because choler, as well as yellow as black, may be also sent into the veins by many other causes, and envy may not drive enough into them to alter the colour of the complexion, unless it be exceeding[ly] great, and of long continuance it ought not to be thought that all those of this complexion are thereunto inclined.

    The 185th Article

    Of pity.
    Pity is sort of sadness, mingled with love or goodwill towards those whom we see suffer any evil whereof we esteem them unworthy. So it is contrary to envy because of its object, and derision because it considers them in another manner.


    5:43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ 52  and ‘hate your enemy.’ 5:44 But I say to you, love your enemy and 53  pray for those who persecute you, 5:45 so that you may be like 54  your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 5:46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Even the tax collectors 55  do the same, don’t they? 5:47 And if you only greet your brothers, what more do you do? Even the Gentiles do the same, don’t they? 5:48 So then, be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. 56 

    MATTHEW 27

    27:15 During the feast the governor was accustomed to release one prisoner to the crowd, 18  whomever they wanted. 27:16 At that time they had in custody a notorious prisoner named Jesus 19  Barabbas. 27:17 So after they had assembled, Pilate said to them, “Whom do you want me to release for you, Jesus 20  Barabbas or Jesus who is called the Christ?” 21  27:18 (For he knew that they had handed him over because of envy.) 22  27:19 As 23  he was sitting on the judgment seat, 24  his wife sent a message 25  to him: 26  “Have nothing to do with that innocent man; 27  I have suffered greatly as a result of a dream 28  about him today.” 27:20 But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowds to ask for Barabbas and to have Jesus killed. 27:21 The 29  governor asked them, “Which of the two do you want me to release for you?” And they said, “Barabbas!” 27:22 Pilate said to them, “Then what should I do with Jesus who is called the Christ?” 30  They all said, “Crucify him!” 31  27:23 He asked, “Why? What wrong has he done?” But they shouted more insistently, “Crucify him!”


    11:23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night in which he was betrayed took bread, 11:24 and after he had given thanks he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 11:25 In the same way, he also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, every time you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 11:26 For every time you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

    11:27 For this reason, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 11:28 A person should examine himself first, 8  and in this way 9  let him eat the bread and drink of the cup. 11:29 For the one who eats and drinks without careful regard 10  for the body eats and drinks judgment against himself. 11:30 That is why many of you are weak and sick, and quite a few are dead. 11  11:31 But if we examined ourselves, we would not be judged. 11:32 But when we are judged by the Lord, we are disciplined so that we may not be condemned with the world. 11:33 So then, my brothers and sisters, 12  when you come together to eat, wait for one another. 11:34 If anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, so that when you assemble it does not lead to judgment.

    HEBREWS 10

    10:32 But remember the former days when you endured a harsh conflict of suffering after you were enlightened. 10:33 At times you were publicly exposed to abuse and afflictions, and at other times you came to share with others who were treated in that way. 10:34 For in fact you shared the sufferings of those in prison, 40  and you accepted the confiscation of your belongings with joy, because you knew that you certainly had a better and lasting possession. 10:35 So do not throw away your confidence, because it has great reward. 10:36 For you need endurance in order to do God’s will and so receive what is promised. 10:37 For just a little longer 44  and he who is coming will arrive and not delay. 10:38 But my righteous one will live by faith [Isaiah  26:20 Go, my people! Enter your inner rooms! Close your doors behind you! Hide for a little while, until his angry judgment is over! 35  26:21 For look, the Lord is coming out of the place where he lives, to punish the sin of those who live on the earth. The earth will display the blood shed on it; it will no longer cover up its slain.], and if he shrinks back, I take no pleasure in him. 10:39 But we are not among those who shrink back and thus perish, but are among those who have faith and preserve their souls. 

    TITUS 3

    3:1 Remind them to be subject to rulers and 1  authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work. 3:2 They must not slander 2  anyone, but be peaceable, gentle, showing complete courtesy to all people. 3:3 For we too were once foolish, disobedient, misled, enslaved to various passions and desires, spending our lives in evil and envy, hateful and hating one another. 3:4 3  But “when the kindness of God our Savior and his love for mankind appeared, 3:5 he saved us not by works of righteousness that we have done but on the basis of his mercy, through the washing of the new birth and the renewing of the Holy Spirit, 3:6 whom he poured out on us in full measure 4  through Jesus Christ our Savior. 3:7 And so, 5  since we have been justified by his grace, we become heirs with the confident expectation of eternal life.

    1 JOHN 1

    2:3 Now 7  by this we know that we have come to know God: if we keep his commandments. 2:4 The one who says “I have come to know God” and yet does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in such a person. 2:5 But whoever obeys his word, truly in this person the love of God has been perfected. By this we know that we are in him. 2:6 The one who says he resides in God ought himself to walk  just as Jesus walked.


  3. The 180th Article

    Of the use of jesting.
    As for modest jesting, which wholesomely reprehends (finds fault) 
    vices by making them appear ridiculous, so a man laugh not at them himself, nor show any hatred against persons, it is not a passion but a becoming quality in a man, that makes the liveliness of his disposition appear, and the tranquility of his soul, which are marks of virtue; and oft-times the nimblessness of his wit too, in that he knows how to set a handsome gloss on things he jests at.

    The 181st Article

    Of the use of laughter in jesting.
    And it is not
    unhandsome to laugh at the hearing of another man's jests: nay, perchance they may be such, that it were doltishness (foolish) not to laugh at them. But when a man jests himself, it is more seemly to abstain from it, that he may not seem to be surprised by the things he speaks, nor admire the dexterity of their invention; and that causes those who hear them to be surprised so much the more.

    The 182nd Article

    Of envy.
    That which commonly is called envy is a vice that consists in a perverseness (irrational behavior) of nature, which causes certain men to fret at the good that they see befalls other men. But I here use this word to signify a passion which is not always vicious. Envy then, as it is a passion, is a sort of sadness mixed with hatred which comes from seeing good betide those we think unworthy of it; which cannot be thought with reason, but of the goods of fortune. For, as for those of the soul, yea and the body too, seeing a man has them by birth, it is to be sufficiently worthy of them, that he received them from God before he was capable to commit any evil.

    Reparation means making of amends


    14:7 Leave the presence of a foolish person,  

    or you will not understand wise counsel. 

    14:8 The wisdom of the shrewd person is to discern his way,

    but the folly of fools is deception.  

    14:9 Fools mock at reparation, 

    but among the upright there is favor.


    10:12 The words of a wise person win him favor, 

    but the words of a fool are self-destructive.

    10:13 At the beginning his words are foolish

    and at the end his talk is wicked madness,

    10:14 yet a fool keeps on babbling.

    No one knows what will happen;

    who can tell him what will happen in the future? 

    10:15 The toil of a stupid fool wears him out, 

    because he does not even know the way to the city. 


    5:1 Therefore, be imitators of God as dearly loved children 5:2 and live in love, just as Christ also loved us and gave himself for us, a sacrificial and fragrant offering to God. 5:3 But among you there must not be either sexual immorality, impurity of any kind, or greed, as these are not fitting for the saints. 7  5:4 Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting – all of which are out of character – but rather thanksgiving. 5:5 For you can be confident of this one thing: that no person who is immoral, impure, or greedy (such a person is an idolater) has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

  4. Ennin you wrote:

    Transition from the position of weakness, where the non-believers of Makkah — particularly the people of Quraish — humiliated, tortured and killed Muslims, to the position of strength. This is where Muslims were allowed to defend themselves and were able to defeat their adversaries.


    You would think that Muslims would have learned from being humiliated, tortured, and killed that they would have Love and Mercy towards Christians and other Muslims. But, then again the Jews were humiliated, tortured, and killed by the Christians, and the Nazis. They did not learn and do the same. Christians are just as guilty.


    What do all three have in common. No Love or Mercy. Jews, Christians, and Muslims that do not practice Love and Mercy will get none from the Creator (Hashem, The Father, Allah).


    I really liked this part. This is first time you really impressed me.


    Intercommunity and Interfaith Relations: Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) also established good relations with other communities living in Madinah. There was a large Jewish community as well as some other Arab tribes who had not accepted Islam. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) prepared a Mithaq (a covenant or a constitution) for relations between these communities.


    I believe in the 21st Century either two things will happen. First, Love and Mercy will continue to be replaced by Hate and Cruelty and there will be more blood shed. Or the Faiths will realize coercion (force) conversions do not work and the people will be drawn to the religion that shows the Most Love and Mercy.


    I pray that Protestant, Catholics, and Orthodox reconcile. I pray that Sunni and Shia reconcile. I pray that Orthodox, Conservative, and Reformed Jews reconcile with Messianic Jews. I pray that Jews, Christians, and Muslims realize they are brothers and sisters under the Creator (Hashem, The Father, Allah).


    People come together for the World Cup Soccer game. I pray to the the Creator (Hashem, The Father, Allah) that there be a day where Jews, Christians, and Muslims come together in prayer. Imagine 3 Billion plus people coming together praising our Creator (Hashem, The Father, Allah) and praying for peace and then breaking bread together in fellowship.


    Talk about Miracles. That is what our Creator (Hashem, The Father, Allah) wants. I think the Creator would consider it a Miracle for mankind to put aside selfish differences and come together for just one day to praise Him together as one body.


    Afterwards, all sides can debate using reason and not missiles, bombs, guns and knives.


    I bet many nonBelievers would covert of their own Free Will.



  5. Peace be with you Ennin. You wrote:

    only Jesus was pure enough to able to see the face of the Creator.
    not true
    all prophets are equal

    Jews and Christians do not believe that face of the Creator.

    Exodus 33

    33:14 And the Lord said, “My presence will go with you, and I will give you rest.”

    33:15 And Moses said to him, “If your presence does not go with us, do not take us up from here.

    33:16 For how will it be known then that I have found favor in your sight, I and your people? Is it not by your going with us, so that we will be distinguished, I and your people, from all the people who are on the face of the earth?”

    33:17 The Lord said to Moses, “I will do this thing also that you have requested, for you have found favor in my sight, and I know 50 you by name.”

    33:18 And Moses said, “Show me your glory.”

    33:19 And the Lord said, “I will make all my goodness pass before your face, and I will proclaim the Lord by name before you; I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, I will show mercy to whom I will show mercy.”

    33:20 But he added, “You cannot see my face, for no one can see me and live.”

    33:21 The Lord said, “Here is a place by me; you will station yourself on a rock.

    33:22 When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and will cover you with my hand while I pass by.

    33:23 Then I will take away my hand, and you will see my back, but my face must not be seen."

    Even the Quran writes that Moses could not see the Divine face of the Creator.

    Al-A'raf (The Heights)

    7:143 And when Moses arrived at Our appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he said, "My Lord, show me [Yourself] that I may look at You." [ Allah ] said, "You will not see Me, but look at the mountain; if it should remain in place, then you will see Me." But when his Lord appeared to the mountain, He rendered it level, and Moses fell unconscious. And when he awoke, he said, "Exalted are You! I have repented to You, and I am the first of the believers."

    Those instances where prophets saw the Creator involved visions, theophanies (limited manifestation tangible to the human senses), or anthropomorphic representations (human traits, emotions, and intentions) of the Creator rather than encounters with His unveiled Divine essence

    Christians believe Scripture that Jesus was always with the Creator and never ceased being the word of the Creator. Jesus testified the wisdom of the Creator which is eternal.

    John 1

    1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God.

    1:2 The Word was with God in the beginning.

    1:3 All things were created by him, and apart from him not one thing was created that has been created.

    1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of mankind.

    1:5 And the light shines on in the darkness, but the darkness has not mastered it.

    1:6 A man came, sent from God, whose name was John.

    1:7 He came as a witness to testify about the light, so that everyone might believe through him.

    1:8 He himself was not the light, but he came to testify about the light.

    1:9 The true light, who gives light to everyone, was coming into the world.

    1:10 He was in the world, and the world was created by him, but the world did not recognize him.

    1:11 He came to what was his own, but his own people did not receive him.

    1:12 But to all who have received him – those who believe in his name – he has given the right to become God’s children

    1:13 – children not born by human parents or by human desire or a husband’s decision, but by God.

    1:14 Now the Word became flesh and took up residence among us. We saw his glory – the glory of the one and only, full of grace and truth, who came from the Father.

    1:15 John testified about him and shouted out, “This one was the one about whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is greater than I am, because he existed before me.’”

    1:16 For we have all received from his fullness one gracious gift after another.

    1:17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came about through Jesus Christ.

    1:18 No one has ever seen God. The only one, himself God, who is in closest fellowship with the Father, has made God known.

    Those whom our Father has chosen for salvation among believe in Jesus and his teachings.

    John 6

    6:41 Then the Jews who were hostile to Jesus began complaining about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven,”

    6:42 and they said, “Isn’t this Jesus the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?”

    6:43 Jesus replied, “Do not complain about me to one another.

    6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.

    6:45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who hears and learns from the Father comes to me.

    6:46 (Not that anyone has seen the Father except the one who is from God – he has seen the Father.)

    6:47 I tell you the solemn truth, the one who believes has eternal life.

    6:48 I am the bread of life.

    6:49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died.

    6:50 This is the bread that has come down from heaven, so that a person may eat from it and not die.

    6:51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats from this bread he will live forever. The bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”


    Jude 1

    1:17 But you, dear friends – recall the predictions foretold by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ.


    1:18 For they said to you, “In the end time there will come scoffers, propelled by their own ungodly desires.”


    1:19 These people are divisive, worldly, devoid of the Spirit.


    1:20 But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith, by praying in the Holy Spirit,


    1:21 maintain yourselves in the love of God, while anticipating the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that brings eternal life.


    1:22 And have mercy on those who waver;


    1:23 save others by snatching them out of the fire; have mercy on others, coupled with a fear of God, hating even the clothes stained by the flesh.

    1:24 Now to the one who is able to keep you from falling, and to cause you to stand, rejoicing, without blemish before his glorious presence,


    1:25 to the only God our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority, before all time, and now, and for all eternity. Amen.


    I ask the Creator to bless you Ennin in searching for the truth.


    Here is a beautiful passage in the Jewish Bible on the Creator rewards for those that show compassion and Mercy towards others.

    112:1 Praise the Lord!

    How blessed is the one who obeys the Lord,

    who takes great delight in keeping his commands.


    112:2 His descendants will be powerful on the earth;

    the godly will be blessed.


    112:3 His house contains wealth and riches;

    his integrity endures.


    112:4 In the darkness a light shines for the godly,

    for each one who is merciful, compassionate, and just.


    112:5 It goes well for the one who generously lends money,

    and conducts his business honestly.


    112:6 For he will never be upended;

    others will always remember one who is just.


    112:7 He does not fear bad news.

    He is confident; he trusts in the Lord.


    112:8 His resolve is firm; he will not succumb to fear

    before he looks in triumph on his enemies.


    112:9 He generously gives to the needy;

    his integrity endures.

    He will be vindicated and honored.


    112:10 When the wicked see this, they will worry;

    they will grind their teeth in frustration and melt away;

    the desire of the wicked will perish.


    I find it ironic how people can show love and mercy towards an animal, but cruelty towards a fellow human being. I pray for those that abuse any living creature.

  6. Ennin you wrote:

    Verse 17 "--the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you".


    in fact the Holy Spirit Gabriel.with Jesus and all the prophets only

    2.2 billion plus Christians, 1.6 billion plus Muslims, and 14 million Jews believe in the angel Gabriel came to the prophets.


    Daniel 8

    15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, was beholding the chazon, that I sought the meaning; then, hinei, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.

    16 And I heard a kol adam (man's voice) amidst the Ulai, and he called, and said, Gavriel, cause this one to understand the vision [see Daniel 9:21].

    17 So he came near where I stood; and as he came, I was filled with fear, and I fell down upon my face, but he said unto me, Understand, O ben adam, the chazon (vision) points to the time of the ketz (end).

    18 Now while he was speaking with me, I swooned upon my face toward the ground, but he touched me, and made me stand upright.

    19 And he said, Hineni, I will cause thee to know that which shall take place in the latter part of HaZa'am (the Wrath period), since at a mo'ed (an appointed time) the Ketz (End) shall be.


    Luke 1


    1:26 In the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a town of Galilee called Nazareth,


    1:27 to a virgin engaged to a man whose name was Joseph, a descendant of David, and the virgin’s name was Mary.


    1:28 The angel came to her and said, “Greetings, favored one, the Lord is with you!”


    1:29 But she was greatly troubled by his words and began to wonder about the meaning of this greeting.


    1:30 So the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God!


    1:31 Listen:


    You will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus.


    1:32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give him the throne of his father David.


    1:33 He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and his kingdom will never end.”


    1:34 Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I have not had sexual relations with a man?”


    1:35 The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be holy; he will be called the Son of God.

    Acts 1

    1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the farthest parts of the earth.


    Christians and Muslims are witnesses to Jesus Christ.


    Acts 2


    2:1 Now when the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place.


    2:2 Suddenly a sound like a violent wind blowing came from heaven and filled the entire house where they were sitting.


    2:3 And tongues spreading out like a fire appeared to them and came to rest on each one of them.


    2:4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit, and they began to speak in other languages as the Spirit enabled them.


    2:5 Now there were devout Jews from every nation under heaven residing in Jerusalem.


    2:6 When this sound occurred, a crowd gathered and was in confusion, because each one heard them speaking in his own language.


    2:7 Completely baffled, they said, “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans?


    2:8 And how is it that each one of us hears them 16 in our own native language?


    2:9 Parthians, Medes, Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and the province of Asia,


    2:10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene, and visitors from Rome,


    2:11 both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabs – we hear them speaking in our own languages about the great deeds God has done!”


    2:12 All were astounded and greatly confused, saying to one another, “What does this mean?”


    2:13 But others jeered at the speakers, saying, “They are drunk on new wine!”

    2:14 But Peter stood up with the eleven, raised his voice, and addressed them: “You men of Judea and all you who live in Jerusalem, know this and listen carefully to what I say.


    2:15 In spite of what you think, these men are not drunk, for it is only nine o’clock in the morning.


    2:16 But this is what was spoken about through the prophet Joel:


    2:17 ‘And in the last days it will be,’ God says,

    ‘that I will pour out my Spirit on all people,

    and your sons and your daughters will prophesy,

    and your young men will see visions,

    and your old men will dream dreams.


    2:18 Even on my servants, both men and women,

    I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.


    2:19 And I will perform wonders in the sky above

    and miraculous signs on the earth below,

    blood and fire and clouds of smoke.


    2:20 The sun will be changed to darkness

    and the moon to blood

    before the great and glorious day of the Lord comes.


    2:21 And then everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’


    2:22 “Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man clearly attested to you by God with powerful deeds, wonders, and miraculous signs that God performed among you through him, just as you yourselves know –


    2:23 this man, who was handed over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you executed 44 by nailing him to a cross at the hands of Gentiles.


    2:24 But God raised him up, having released him from the pains of death, because it was not possible for him to be held in its power.


    2:25 For David says about him,

    ‘I saw the Lord always in front of me,

    for he is at my right hand so that I will not be shaken.


    2:26 Therefore my heart was glad and my tongue rejoiced;

    my body also will live in hope,


    2:27 because you will not leave my soul in Hades,

    nor permit your Holy One to experience decay.


    2:28 You have made known to me the paths of life;

    you will make me full of joy with your presence.’


    2:29 “Brothers, I can speak confidently to you about our forefather David, that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.


    2:30 So then, because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of his descendants on his throne,


    2:31 David by foreseeing this spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did his body experience decay.


    2:32 This Jesus God raised up, and we are all witnesses of it.


    2:33 So then, exalted to the right hand of God, and having received the promise of the Holy Spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you both see and hear.


    2:34 For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says,

    ‘The Lord said to my lord,

    “Sit at my right hand


    2:35 until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”’


    2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know beyond a doubt that God has made this Jesus whom you crucified both Lord and Christ.”


    It was the Joel that prophesied the Creator's bestowing His Holy Spirit on mankind.


    Joel 2

    21 Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice; for Hashem hath done great things.


    22 Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field; for the pastures of the midbar do spring up, for the etz beareth her fruit, the te'enah and the gefen do yield their strength.


    23 Be glad then, ye bnei Tziyon, and rejoice in Hashem Eloheichem; for He hath given you the former rain according to (His) tzedakah, and He will cause to come down for you the rain, the yoreh (former rain), and the malkosh (latter rain) as before.


    24 And the threshing floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with yayin and yitzhar.


    25 And I will restore to you the shanim (years) that the arbeh (great locust) hath eaten, the crawling locust, and the other locust, and the locust swarm, My great army which I sent among you.


    26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the Shem of Hashem Eloheichem, that hath dealt wondrously with you; and My people shall never be ashamed.


    27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Yisroel, and that I am Hashem Eloheichem, and there is no other; and My people shall never be put to shame.


    28 (3:1) And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My Ruach [Hakodesh] upon all basar; and your banim and your banot shall prophesy, your zekenim shall dream chalomot, your bochurim shall see chezyonot (visions):


    29 (3:2) And also upon the avadim and upon the shefachot in those days will I pour out My Ruach [Hakodesh,


    30 (3:3) And I will show mofetim in the heavens and in the earth, dahm, and eish, and pillars of smoke.


    31 (3:4) The shemesh shall be turned into choshech, and the yarei'ach into dahm, before the great and terrible Yom Hashem come.


    32 (3:5) And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the Shem of the L- rd shall be saved; for in Mt Tziyon and in Yerushalayim shall be deliverance, as Hashem hath said, and in the seridim (remnant, survivors) whom Hashem shall call.


    Jews use the Ruach Hakodesh (see above), Muslims use the term Ruh al-Qudus.


    59:23 He is Allah , other than whom there is no deity, the Sovereign, the Pure, the Perfection, the Bestower of Faith, the Overseer, the Exalted in Might, the Compeller, the Superior. Exalted is Allah above whatever they associate with Him.


    Notice the similarities in the pronunciation. Ruach and Ruh mean 'Spirit.' Hakodesh and al-Qudus both mean 'Holy.'


    Ruach Hakodesh and Ruh al-Qudus are names for Hashem/Allah/Creator.


    In the End the Saints will judge the Angels that rebelled against the Creator, but no one Judge will judge His Spirit.


    1 Corinthians 6

    6:1 When any of you has a legal dispute with another, does he dare go to court before the unrighteous rather than before the saints?


    6:2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you not competent to settle trivial suits?


    6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? Why not ordinary matters!


    6:4 So if you have ordinary lawsuits, do you appoint as judges those who have no standing in the church?


    6:5 I say this to your shame! Is there no one among you wise enough to settle disputes between fellow Christians?


    6:6 Instead, does a Christian sue a Christian, and do this before unbelievers?


    6:7 The fact that you have lawsuits among yourselves demonstrates that you have already been defeated. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated?


    6:8 But you yourselves wrong and cheat, and you do this to your brothers and sisters!


    6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals,


    6:10 thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God.


    6:11 Some of you once lived this way. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


    The Creator uses many messengers to reveal His word.


    57:25 We have already sent Our messengers with clear evidences and sent down with them the Scripture and the balance that the people may maintain [their affairs] in justice. And We sent down iron, wherein is great military might and benefits for the people, and so that Allah may make evident those who support Him and His messengers unseen. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might.


    Jews, Christians and Muslims believe that it is important to listen to the messenger.


    4:59 O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result.


    In Islam the Messenger shares a throne with the Creator/Allah and is obeyed.

    81:15 So I swear by the retreating stars -

    81:16 Those that run [their courses] and disappear -

    81:17 And by the night as it closes in

    81:18 And by the dawn when it breathes

    81:19 indeed, the Qur'an is a word [conveyed by] a noble messenger

    81:20 [Who is] possessed of power and with the Owner of the Throne, secure [in position],

    81:21 Obeyed there [in the heavens] and trustworthy.



    Judaism, Christianity, and Islam believe that the Creator (Hashem, the Father, Allah) used angels as Messengers to communicate with Abraham and Lot.


    The Throne of the Creator is the reigning center of (Hashem, the Father, Allah) of the Abrahamic religions: primarily Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. The throne is said by various holy books to reside beyond the Seventh Heaven and is called Araboth in Judaism,and al-'Arsh in Islam. Many in the Christian religion consider it as symbolic or allegorical. Most Jews and Christians do not believe the Creator (Hashem, the Father, Allah) shares al-'Arsh with Angels. But, Pope Saint Gregory I lists seven angels (Gabriel, Michael, Raphael, Uriel (or Anael), Simiel, Oriphiel and Raguel) sitting around the throne of the Creator.

    11:69 And certainly did Our messengers come to Abraham with good tidings; they said, "Peace." He said, "Peace," and did not delay in bringing [them] a roasted calf.

    11:70 But when he saw their hands not reaching for it, he distrusted them and felt from them apprehension. They said, "Fear not. We have been sent to the people of Lot."

    11:71 And his Wife was standing, and she smiled. Then We gave her good tidings of Isaac and after Isaac, Jacob.

    11:72 She said, "Woe to me! Shall I give birth while I am an old woman and this, my husband, is an old man? Indeed, this is an amazing thing!"

    11:73 They said, "Are you amazed at the decree of Allah ? May the mercy of Allah and His blessings be upon you, people of the house. Indeed, He is Praiseworthy and Honorable."

    11:74 And when the fright had left Abraham and the good tidings had reached him, he began to argue with Us concerning the people of Lot.

    11:75 Indeed, Abraham was forbearing, grieving and [frequently] returning [to Allah ].

    11:76 [The angels said], "O Abraham, give up this [plea]. Indeed, the command of your Lord has come, and indeed, there will reach them a punishment that cannot be repelled."

    11:77 And when Our messengers, [the angels], came to Lot, he was anguished for them and felt for them great discomfort and said, "This is a trying day."


    In the name of our Creator/Allah, the Compassionate ('al-Rahman') and the Merciful (al-Rahim) speak more about compassion and mercy.


    Ennin you wrote:

    Can you say?

    Do you receive the teachings of the Holy Spirit and the face-to-face?


    Before the Fall Adam and Eve could see the Creator. After the Fall, only Jesus was pure enough to able to see the face of the Creator. The Creator did directly communicate to Greater Prophets like Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Rebekah, Jacob, Laban, Moses, Samuel, Job, etc. And as Mormons believe, Joseph Smith. The Creator sent messengers to prophets like Daniel, David, Mary, Elizabeth, etc. And as you believe, Mohamed.


    The Holy Spirit has no face. The Holy Spirit is an active force of the Creator that resides inside some of us. The Jews consider the Holy Spirit to be Divine Inspiration. I consider the Holy Spirit to be the Wisdom of Truth that dwells in my life.


    2 Corinthians 6 (P46 Translation)


    For what do righteousness and lawlessness have in common?
    Or what partnership is between the light and dark? And what
    agreement is there between Christ and Beliar? Or what is shared by the believer and unbeliever? And what agreement is there between the temple of God and idols?
    For you are the temple of the living God, as God also said:
    I will dwell in them and live among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people. Therefore, come out of the midst of them, you have also been made separate, says the Lord, and do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you, and will be a father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.
    Thus, having these promises beloved, let us purify ourselves from every defilement of the flesh, by the spirit also fulfilling holiness in the love of God. We have wronged no one, we have ruined no one, we have taken advantage of no one.
    I do not say this for condemnation, for I said before that your are in our hearts, to die together and live together.

  7. Ennin first you wrote Mohamed was a medium of the Holy Spirit Gabriel.

    "The Holy Spirit refers to the Angel Jibreel (Gabriel), also known as Jibraaeel; he is the message-bearer par excellence from Allah, the Lord of Glory and Grace; he is also the conduit of divine support and assistance bestowed on Prophets, Messengers as well as righteous people who strive in the path of Allah.

    1. Thus we read in the Quran that the Prophets (peace be upon them all) are chosen by Allah by sending down the Holy Spirit with the revelations: He sends down the Spirit from His command, upon those of His servants He chooses, in order to warn people of the Day of Meeting. (Ghafir: 15)

    2. We also read in the Quran that it (the Quran) was sent down upon the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) through the medium of Holy Spirit: Say: The Holy Spirit brought it down from your Lord with the truth, to strengthen those who believe, and as a guidance and good tidings to the Muslims. (An-Nahl: 102)

    Now you state that Mohammad is in fact the Holy Spirit Gabriel.

    Verse 17 "--the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you".

    Also verse 26: But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

    This Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
    the names of the prophet muhammad

    With do respect this leads to a whole new thinking of the Bible.

    Was this Angel of Mohammed moving over the surface of water with the Creator during Creation?

    Genesis 1

    1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

    1:2 Now the earth was without shape and empty, and darkness was over the surface of the watery deep, but the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the water.

    1:3 God said, “Let there be light.” And there was light!

    1:4 God saw that the light was good, so God separated the light from the darkness.

    1:5 God called the light “day” and the darkness “night.” There was evening, and there was morning, marking the first day.

    So you are stating the Israelites were offending the Angel Mohammad that was among them? Where in the Quran does Mohammad state that he existed before Jesus? Christians and Jews believe that the Israelites were offending the Creator.

    Isaiah 63

    63:7 I will tell of the faithful acts of the Lord,
    of the Lord’s praiseworthy deeds.
    I will tell about all the Lord did for us,
    the many good things he did for the family of Israel,
    because of his compassion and great faithfulness.

    63:8 He said, “Certainly they will be my people,
    children who are not disloyal.”
    He became their deliverer.

    63:9 Through all that they suffered, he suffered too.
    The messenger sent from his very presence delivered them.
    In his love and mercy he protected them;
    he lifted them up and carried them throughout ancient times.

    63:10 But they rebelled and offended His Holy Spirit,
    so he turned into an enemy
    and fought against them.

    63:11 His people remembered the ancient times.
    Where is the one who brought them up out of the sea,
    along with the shepherd of his flock?
    Where is the one who placed his Holy Spirit among them,

    63:12 the one who made his majestic power available to Moses,
    who divided the water before them,
    gaining for himself a lasting reputation,

    Was King David speaking about the Angel Mohammad that could be everywhere and anywhere?
    Jews and Christians believe only the Creator can do that. I thought Muslims believe that too???

    Psalms 139

    O Lord, you examine me and know.
    139:2 You know when I sit down and when I get up;
    even from far away you understand my motives.
    139:3 You carefully observe me when I travel or when I lie down to rest;
    you are aware of everything I do.
    139:4 Certainly my tongue does not frame a word
    without you, O Lord, being thoroughly aware of it.
    139:5 You squeeze me in from behind and in front;
    you place your hand on me.
    139:6 Your knowledge is beyond my comprehension;
    it is so far beyond me, I am unable to fathom it.
    139:7 Where can I go to escape your Spirit?
    Where can I flee to escape your presence?
    139:8 If I were to ascend to heaven, you would be there.
    If I were to sprawl out in Sheol, there you would be.
    139:9 If I were to fly away on the wings of the dawn,
    and settle down on the other side of the sea,
    139:10 even there your hand would guide me,
    your right hand would grab hold of me.

    The Quran agrees that the Creator is everywhere and knows your thoughts.

    Al-Baqarah (The Cow)

    2:15 And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you [might] turn, there is the Face of Allah . Indeed, Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.

    Did the Angel Mohammed breathe into Mary and give her life. Christians believe it was the Creator's Holy Spirit.

    Al-Anbya (The Prophets)

    21:90 Into the woman who maintained her chastity We breathed Our Spirit and made her and her son a miracle for all people.

    Do you believe the Angel Mohammad led Jesus when He was in the wilderness for 40 days and tempted by Satan? Christians believe Jesus was lead by the Creator.

    Luke 4

    4:1 Then Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan River and was led by the Spirit in the wilderness,

    4:2 where for forty days he endured temptations from the devil.

    Does the Angel Mohammad reside in the righteous? Christians believe the Creator's Holy Spirit resides in those that love and follow Him.

    John 14

    14:15 “If you love me, you will obey my commandments.

    14:16 Then I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate to be with you forever –

    14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot accept, because it does not see him or know him. But you know him, because he resides with you and will be in you.

    And does what you state mean the Apostles of Jesus received the Angel Mohamed? Christians believe it was the Creator's Holy Spirit.

    John 20

    20:21 So Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. Just as the Father has sent me, I also send you.”

    20:22 And after he said this, he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

    20:23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, they are forgiven; if you retain anyone’s sins, they are retained.”

    Was it the Angel Mohammad with the Apostles that said it was ok for Gentiles to eat ALL types of Meat as long as it was not strangled or sacrificed to idols. Christians believe it was the Creator.

    Acts 15

    15:28 For it seemed best to the Holy Spirit and to us not to place any greater burden on you than these necessary rules:

    15:29 that you abstain from meat that has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what has been strangled and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from doing these things, you will do well. Farewell.


    Finally you make a blanket statement that ALL nonMuslims eat pork, drink alcohol, adultry, usury, and gambling. The Jews I know do not eat pork.

    Non-Muslims eat pork - drink alcohol - adultery - usury - gambling - and so


    Are you all knowing like the Creator? Did the Angel Mohammad give you this revelation that you can see into the thoughts of all men?



    Surat Al-Baqarah (The Cow)


    2:216 Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not.


    According to your statement, Jesus was NOT a Muslim for creating wine for His family's wedding. And since Jesus created wine by the Authority of the Creator, I guess the Creator is NOT a Muslim as well. Did you mean to say drunks (alcoholics)? Christians do not believe it acceptable to be drunk.


    John 2

    2:1 Now on the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there,


    2:2 and Jesus and his disciples were also invited to the wedding.


    2:3 When the wine ran out, Jesus’ mother said to him, “They have no wine left.”


    2:4 Jesus replied, “Woman, why are you saying this to me? My time has not yet come.”


    2:5 His mother told the servants, “Whatever he tells you, do it.”


    2:6 Now there were six stone water jars there for Jewish ceremonial washing, each holding twenty or thirty gallons.


    2:7 Jesus told the servants, “Fill the water jars with water.” So they filled them up to the very top.


    2:8 Then he told them, “Now draw some out and take it to the head steward,” and they did.


    2:9 When the head steward tasted the water that had been turned to wine, not knowing where it came from 16 (though the servants who had drawn the water knew), he called the bridegroom


    2:10 and said to him, “Everyone serves the good wine first, and then the cheaper 19 wine when the guests are drunk. You have kept the good wine until now!”


    2:11 Jesus did this as the first of his miraculous signs, in Cana of Galilee. In this way he revealed his glory, and his disciples believed in him.


    I reject the idea that the Angel Gabriel is Mohammad. I reject the idea that the Angel Gabriel's power is infinite like the Creator. I reject that the idea that the Angel Gabriel can be at an infinite number of places at one time like the Creator. I reject the idea that the Angel Gabriel knows our thoughts like the Creator. I reject the idea that the Angel Gabriel was with the Creator during the time of creation. I reject the idea that the Angel Gabriel or Mohammad created or helped create Adam or Jesus. For these reasons alone I know that both the Angel Gabriel and Mohammad are not the Creator's Holy Spirit. But, I accept that both Gabriel and Mohammad have a spirit that our Creator gave them. I also accept that the Angel Gabriel is one of our Creator's messengers.


    Leave the judging to the Creator. He alone knows our true intentions.


    Imam An-Nawawi's Forty Hadiths


    HADITH 1


    On the authority of Omar bin Al-Khattab, who said :


    I heard the messenger of Allah salla Allah u alihi wa sallam say :


    "Actions are but by intention and every man shall have but that which he intended. Thus he whose migration was for Allah and His messenger, his migration was for Allah and His messenger, and he whose migration was to achieve some worldly benefit or to take some woman in marriage, his migration was for that for which he migrated." related by Bukhari and Muslim


    Al-Furqan (The Criterian) -

    25:63 And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk upon the earth easily, and when the ignorant address them [harshly], they say [words of] peace,


    You wrote:

    Jesus Christ peace and blessings be upon him has gone to allah

    Finished work assigned to him


    Jesus words are eternal, because they were given to Him by the Creator. His work is not done and both Christians and Muslims believe he will be back in the end.


    Planting trees and feeding animals are great, but true Love and Mercy is loving your neighbor.


    Luke 10

    10:25 Now an expert in religious law stood up to test Jesus, saying, “Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”


    10:26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? How do you understand it?”


    10:27 The expert answered, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind, and love your neighbor as yourself.”


    10:28 Jesus said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this, and you will live.”


    10:29 But the expert, wanting to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”


    10:30 Jesus replied, “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell into the hands of robbers, who stripped him, beat him up, and went off, leaving him half dead.


    10:31 Now by chance a priest was going down that road, but when he saw the injured man he passed by on the other side.


    10:32 So too a Levite, when he came up to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side.


    10:33 But a Samaritan who was traveling came to where the injured man was, and when he saw him, he felt compassion for him.


    10:34 He went up to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring oil and wine on them. Then he put him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him.


    10:35 The next day he took out two silver coins and gave them to the innkeeper, saying, ‘Take care of him, and whatever else you spend, I will repay you when I come back this way.’


    10:36 Which of these three do you think became a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of the robbers?”


    10:37 The expert in religious law said, The one who showed mercy to him.” So Jesus said to him, “Go and do the same.”



    Peace be with you Ennin. May our Creator help us all find Love and Mercy.

  8. There are a lot of Muslims that are very good, I pray our Creator save them and give them guidance that His Holy Spirit is NOT the Angel Jibreel. I pray that Muslims do not believe that Jibreel is not the Angel that breathed life into man. I pray that Muslims do not believe that Angels and Men bow down to the the Angel Jibreel. Only the Creator has that power and we should fear and love Him. I pray Muslims see that Jibreel is only a holy messenger of the Creator. I pray that Muslims see Prophets come for all mankind. I pray that Muslims see that Jesus came for all mankind. I pray that all people throughout the world including Christians, Muslims, annd Jews do not believe Allah inseminated the Blessed Mary. I pray that all people in the world can understand love and good works to others they can attain paradise and be called Children of the Creator. I pray Muslims see that the Creator judges their heart and not their appearence. I pray Muslims do not distort Jewish and Christian scripture. I pray that through the power of the Creator Jesus was able to heal the sick, teach the true meaning of love, and judge those who transgress. I pray that Muslims follow the command the Creator gave Jesus for all to love. I pray for all Muslims who consider Mohamed greater than Jesus. I pray that they see that this is not a competition. That all the righteous are children of the Creator.

    I pray for fanatical Muslims, Christians, and Jews that shed innocent blood and have evil thoughts in their minds.

    Matthew 7

    7:15 “Watch out for false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are voracious wolves.

    7:16 You will recognize them by their fruit. Grapes are not gathered from thorns or figs from thistles, are they?

    7:17 In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.

    7:18 A good tree is not able to bear bad fruit, nor a bad tree to bear good fruit.

    7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

    7:20 So then, you will recognize them by their fruit.

    7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven – only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.

    7:22 On that day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and do many powerful deeds?’

    7:23 Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you. Go away from me, you lawbreakers!’

    7:24 “Everyone who hears these words of mine and does them is like a wise man who built his house on rock.

    7:25 The rain fell, the flood came, and the winds beat against that house, but it did not collapse because it had been founded on rock.

    7:26 Everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.

    7:27 The rain fell, the flood came, and the winds beat against that house, and it collapsed; it was utterly destroyed!”
    7:28 When Jesus finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed by his teaching,

    7:29 because he taught them like one who had authority, not like their experts in the law.

    John 8

    8:31 Then Jesus said to those Judeans who had believed him, “If you continue to follow my teaching, you are really my disciples

    8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

    8:33 “We are descendants of Abraham,” they replied, “and have never been anyone’s slaves! How can you say, ‘You will become free’?”

    8:34 Jesus answered them, “I tell you the solemn truth, everyone who practices sin is a slave of sin.

    8:35 The slave does not remain in the family forever, but the son remains forever.

    8:36 So if the son sets you free, you will be really free.

    8:37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. But you want to kill me, because my teaching makes no progress among you.

    8:38 I am telling you the things I have seen while with the Father; as for you, practice the things you have heard from the Father!”

    8:39 They answered him, “Abraham is our father!” Jesus replied, “If you are Abraham’s children, you would be doing the deeds of Abraham.

    8:40 But now you are trying to kill me, a man who has told you the truth I heard from God. Abraham did not do this!

    8:41 You people are doing the deeds of your father.”

    Then they said to Jesus, “We were not born as a result of immorality! We have only one Father, God himself.”

    8:42 Jesus replied, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come from God and am now here. I have not come on my own initiative, but he sent me.

    8:43 Why don’t you understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot accept my teaching.

    8:44 You people are from your father the devil, and you want to do what your father desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies.

    8:45 But because I am telling you the truth, you do not believe me.

    8:46 Who among you can prove me guilty of any sin? If I am telling you the truth, why don’t you believe me?

    8:47 The one who belongs to God listens and responds to God’s words. You don’t listen and respond, because you don’t belong to God.”

    8:48 The Judeans replied, “Aren’t we correct in saying that you are a Samaritan and are possessed by a demon?”

    8:49 Jesus answered, “I am not possessed by a demon, but I honor my Father – and yet you dishonor me.

    8:50 I am not trying to get praise for myself. There is one who demands it, and he also judges.

    8:51 I tell you the solemn truth, if anyone obeys my teaching, he will never see death.”

    8:52 Then the Judeans responded, “Now we know you’re possessed by a demon! Both Abraham and the prophets died, and yet you say, ‘If anyone obeys my teaching, he will never experience death.’

    8:53 You aren’t greater than our father Abraham who died, are you? And the prophets died too! Who do you claim to be?”

    8:54 Jesus replied,“If I glorify myself, my glory is worthless. The one who glorifies me is my Father, about whom you people say, ‘He is our God.’

    8:55 Yet you do not know him, but I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you. But I do know him, and I obey his teaching.

    8:56 Your father Abraham was overjoyed to see my day, and he saw it and was glad.”

    8:57 Then the Judeans replied, “You are not yet fifty years old! Have you seen Abraham?”

    8:58 Jesus said to them, “I tell you the solemn truth, before Abraham came into existence, I am!”

    I pray that you Ennin see that (Hashem, The Father, Allah) is the eternal creative force of love in the universe. It is through the love of (Hashem, The Father, Allah) that all living things and laws were created, so that they could share His reality.


    May the Creator have Love and Mercy on us All.

  9. Ennin,

    Those videos are very difficult to understand. The audio is garbled. I listened to a minute and half on the first video. A woman asked why women and babies are not seen at these discussions. The response was that women are at discussions with other women.


    This does not answer what debated with you. Am I to understand, that you cannot reasonably refute what I stated and have accepted what I have written? If yes, please let me understand how women and babies that are not seen at Muslim discussions are related to what I have written and love and mercy. All I can say is that women are part of the Creator's spirit as much as men. It takes a woman an man in union to create an offspring, except in the cases of Adam, Eve, and Jesus. Through, the love of the Creator for mankind, the physical aspect of Jesus was conceived through Mary.


    I ask through your words to explain. Not through a video. Because, many readers will have the same difficulty understanding the context of Love and Mercy. Unless, you can explain the video for people to understand the reason why you have posted it. Thanks.

  10. Ennin,

    I really enjoyed reading from your thoughtful response. It is my hope that both Christians and Muslims read our dialogues. You ask why did Christians change? It is the whole reason why I am writing about the Didache.

    As previously stated, we both agree that Gabriel is a messenger from the Creator.


    We both agree that Gabriel is a mighty messenger that gets his power from the Creator just like the prophets do. I have no problem with that.


    But, I disagree with you with the prophets only. Unless you include all the Righteous followers of the Creator as well.


    And Jibril peace be upon him

    An angel to deliver the message of the prophets only


    Paul would agree with you that Angels come to the all the that follow the Creator. He testified this long before Mohamed.


    Hebrew 1

    1:13 But to which of the angels has he ever said, “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”?


    1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to serve those who will inherit salvation?


    Moses testified about the Creator's angels long before Paul.


    Deuteronomy 33


    33:1 This is the blessing Moses the man of God pronounced upon the Israelites before his death.


    33:2 He said:

    The Lord came from Sinai

    and revealed himself to Israel from Seir.

    He appeared in splendor from Mount Paran,

    and came forth with ten thousand holy ones.

    With his right hand he gave a fiery law to them.


    The Creator sometimes uses his angels to kill or inflict destruction.

    24:15 So the Lord sent a plague through Israel from the morning until the completion of the appointed time. Seventy thousand men died from Dan to Beer Sheba.


    24:16 When the angel extended his hand to destroy Jerusalem, the Lord relented from his judgment. 1He told the angel who was killing the people, “That’s enough! Stop now!” (Now the Lord’s angel was near the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite.)


    Yes, Gabriel has defined missions we agree. But, unlike the Creator, Gabriel's spirit is not part of everyone, which Muslims and Christians agree.


    Surat As-Sajdah (The Prostration)


    32:9 But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!


    All the Angels bow down before the Creator's Holy Spirit. This includes Gabriel

    Surat Al-Ĥijr (The Rocky Tract)


    15:28 And lo! Thy Sustainer said unto the angels: "Behold, I am about to create mortal man out of sounding clay, out of dark slime transmuted;

    15:29 and when I have formed him fully and breathed into him of My Spirit, fall down before him in prostration!


    All the Angels long to see the Creator's Holy Spirit. This includes Gabriel


    1 Peter 1

    1:10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who predicted the grace that would come to you searched and investigated carefully.


    1:11 They probed into what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating when he testified beforehand about the sufferings appointed for Christ and his subsequent glory.


    1:12 They were shown that they were serving not themselves but you, in regard to the things now announced to you through those who proclaimed the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven – things angels long to catch a glimpse of.


    I found it interesting that you find fault with Paul in your rebuttal.

    Much of the blame for distoring the mission of Jesus Christ belongs to the apostle Paul

    Both you and I believe this to be true. Thank you for citing this passage.

    "If anyone preaches a perverted gospel they're accursed" (Galatians 1:6-9)


    Those that pervert Paul's gospel that the Creator did not give Paul authority to receive revelation that Jesus Christ was the Messiah are cursed. Further those that pervert how the Creator convinced Paul to immediately turn away from trying to destroy His new new church are cursed. And those that pervert the Creator's authority for converting Gentiles to be cursed. Praise the Creator that He willed you to show me this passage.

    1:11 Now I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin.

    1:12 For I did not receive it or learn it from any human source; instead I received it by a revelation of Jesus Christ.

    1:13 For you have heard of my former way of life in Judaism, how I was savagely persecuting the church of God and trying to destroy it.

    1:14 I 27 was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries in my nation, and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my ancestors.

    1:15 But when the one who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace was pleased

    1:16 to reveal his Son in me so that I could preach him among the Gentiles.


    You then state Jesus Christ was not sacrificed.

    Jesus Christ peace be upon him
    Not sacrificed for any one

    I agree with you that we do not want to be destroyed for distorting what Peter testifies.

    "Ignorant people distort things,to their own destruction" (2 Pet 3:16/17)


    Peter was calling those who do not believe Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior ignorant to their own destruction. Maybe our Creator is working through you to better understand what it is to be righteous with the Creator.

    2 Peter 2

    2:17 These men are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm, for whom the utter depths of darkness have been reserved.


    2:18 For by speaking high-sounding but empty words they are able to entice, with fleshly desires and with debauchery, people who have just escaped from those who reside in error.


    2:19 Although these false teachers promise such people freedom, they themselves are enslaved to immorality. For whatever a person succumbs to, to that he is enslaved.


    2:20 For if after they have escaped the filthy things of the world through the rich knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they again get entangled in them and succumb to them, their last state has become worse for them than their first.


    2:21 For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than, having known it, to turn back from the holy commandment that had been delivered to them.


    2:22 They are illustrations of this true proverb:


    “A dog returns to its own vomit,” and “A sow, after washing herself, wallows in the mire.”


    At one time, I too considered Christianity to be 'Paulianity.' I felt his teachings were in direct conflict with James the Just, who followed the discipline taught by all the prophets who proceeded him. Martin Luther felt the same. Although, he felt James to be the problem because of his enforcement of mosaic law. As I analyzed each line, I have found harmony in the gospels with his teachings. First, we must understand that Paul was a Zealot Jewish Pharisee that understood the concept of an afterlife before he believed in Jesus. What makes him different is that he recognized that finding the Creator is not through fear, but love. He realized that when you try to force any type of belief on people they will rebel against it. So with this in mind I have taken the words of Jesus, the prophets, and saints and summed it up to my core belief.

    God is Love

    Life Without Faith is Dead.
    Faith Without Works is Dead.
    Works Without Love is Dead.
    Faith Working in Love is Life.

    Ennin do you do good deeds because you fear Allah? Or do you do good deeds because you love Allah? Or do you do good deeds because you both fear and love Allah?

    First Reformation

    Like other prophets before him Jesus testifies that although, Jews had the Creators laws in front of them, over time those traditions began building loopholes to escape the Creator's commands.

    Like you said, Jesus mission was to show all men the way to being pure and righteous, by being an expert and living example in following the Creator's law. This both Muslims and Christians believe he did. Beyond being just an expert in Mosaic law, Jesus was an expert of the revelations of other Prophets on the proper way of interpreting our Creator's commands.

    Followers of the Prophet John the Baptist asked Jesus why he was with the unclean sinners. Jesus reminded them of the words the Creator had given to of the Prophet Hosea.

    Hosea 6

    6:4 What shall I do for you, Ephraim? What shall I do for you, Judah? For your loving-kindness is like a morning cloud and like the dew that passes away early.

    6:5 Because I have hewed by the prophets, I have put them to death because of the words of My mouth; now will your verdicts come out to the light?

    6:6 For I desire loving-kindness, and not sacrifices, and knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.


    I did not understand what you wrote here:

    You have a disease
    Then comes your brother
    Receive treatment instead of you


    Did you mean to state that if you are found to have a disease (cancer, parkinson's, etc..) and your doctor mistakenly treats your brother or friend instead of you? If yes, then I take it that sin is the disease, then but who is the Doctor? The Creator or Jesus? What I believe is that just like a doctor, with authority from our Creator, Jesus treated physically, mentally, and spiritually sick people with love and mercy.

    Matthew 9

    9:9 As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax booth. “Follow me,” he said to him. And he got up and followed him.

    9:10 As Jesus was having a meal in Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with Jesus and his disciples.

    9:11 When the Pharisees saw this they said to his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?

    9:12 When Jesus heard this he said, “Those who are healthy don’t need a physician, but those who are sick do.

    9:13 Go and learn what this saying means: ‘I want mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

    9:14 Then John’s disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Why do we and the Pharisees fast often, but your disciples don’t fast?

    9:15 Jesus said to them, “The wedding guests cannot mourn while the bridegroom is with them, can they? But the days are coming when the bridegroom will be taken from them, and then they will fast.

    9:16 No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, because the patch will pull away from the garment and the tear will be worse.

    9:17 And no one pours new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the skins burst and the wine is spilled out and the skins are destroyed. Instead they put new wine into new wineskins and both are preserved.”

    Muslims and Christians both understand the concept of showing love for our creator is following his Commands. Through the Creator's authority, Jesus stated the one thing we all seem to have a problem doing is loving each other. The greatest act of love is giving your life to save others. To show his love for the Creator, Jesus dedicated his life to God and brought many more people to Him. Jews, Christians, and Muslims who sacrifice their lives to the Creator in order to save others Jesus would call friend.

    15:9 “Just as the Father has loved me, I have also loved you; remain in my love.


    15:10 If you obey my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commandments and remain in his love.


    15:11 I have told you these things so that my joy may be in you, and your joy may be complete.


    15:12 My commandment is this – to love one another just as I have loved you.


    15:13 No one has greater love than this – that one lays down his life for his friends.


    15:14 You are my friends if you do what I command you.


    15:15 I no longer call you slaves, because the slave does not understand what his master is doing. But I have called you friends, because I have revealed to you everything I heard from my Father.


    15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit, fruit that remains, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you.


    15:17 This I command you – to love one another.


    Even atheist find honor in those that give their lives to save others. Jews and Muslims consider this to be true as well.


    Here we see that Jesus rebukes Jewish Pharisees and experts in the law for looking on the outside, when it is the inside that is most important.

    Matthew 23

    23:1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples,

    23:2 “The experts in the law and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat.

    23:3 Therefore pay attention to what they tell you and do it. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they teach.

    23:4 They tie up heavy loads, hard to carry, and put them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing even to lift a finger to move them.

    23:5 They do all their deeds to be seen by people, for they make their phylacteries wide and their tassels long.

    23:6 They love the place of honor at banquets and the best seats in the synagogues

    23:7 and elaborate greetings in the marketplaces, and to have people call them ‘Rabbi.’

    23:8 But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher and you are all brothers.

    23:9 And call no one your ‘father’ on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

    23:10 Nor are you to be called ‘teacher,’ for you have one teacher, the Christ.

    23:11 The greatest among you will be your servant.

    23:12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

    23:13 “But woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You keep locking people out of the kingdom of heaven! For you neither enter nor permit those trying to enter to go in.
    23:14 “Woe to you experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You devour widows’ property, and as a show you pray long prayers! Therefore you will receive a more severe punishment.”

    23:15 “Woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You cross land and sea to make one convert, and when you get one, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves!

    23:16 “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘Whoever swears by the temple is bound by nothing. But whoever swears by the gold of the temple is bound by the oath.’

    23:17 Blind fools! Which is greater, the gold or the temple that makes the gold sacred?

    23:18 And, ‘Whoever swears by the altar is bound by nothing. But if anyone swears by the gift on it he is bound by the oath.’

    23:19 You are blind! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred?

    23:20 So whoever swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.

    23:21 And whoever swears by the temple swears by it and the one who dwells in it.

    23:22 And whoever swears by heaven swears by the throne of God and the one who sits on it.

    23:23 “Woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You give a tenth of mint, dill, and cumin, yet you neglect what is more important in the law – justice, mercy, and faithfulness! You should have done these things without neglecting the others.

    23:24 Blind guides! You strain out a gnat yet swallow a camel!

    23:25 “Woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.

    23:26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup, so that the outside may become clean too!

    23:27 “Woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs that look beautiful on the outside but inside are full of the bones of the dead and of everything unclean.

    23:28 In the same way, on the outside you look righteous to people, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

    23:29 “Woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.

    23:30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have participated with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’

    23:31 By saying this you testify against yourselves that you are descendants of those who murdered the prophets.

    23:32 Fill up then the measure of your ancestors!

    23:33 You snakes, you offspring of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

    23:34 “For this reason I am sending you prophets and wise men and experts in the law, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town,

    23:35 so that on you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

    23:36 I tell you the truth, this generation will be held responsible for all these things!

    I want you to understand that I firmly believe in the cliche 'Cleanliness is next to godliness.'
    But, also believe that your mental hygiene on the inside is more important your physical hygiene. Some of the poorest people I have met had a love greater than the richest people could ever wish for. I have also have had been graced to converse with good Muslims. Two Muslims who work with me are from Morocco. I highly respect them both.

    On a good note what is also becoming more clear to me is the heart of religious freedom during the inception of the United States was brought about because of the Muslims, Jews, and presbyter Christians being persecuted in England and her colonies for not following the Anglican Church. Thomas Jefferson had disdain for some Catholic and Calvinist as well. I believe that there are both bad and good rabbis, priests, pastors, and clerics. The good ones are those that put the people they serve before themselves. The bad ones are those that serve themselves before the people they are trying to convert and minister.

    People fail to remember that is was the Muslim country of Morocco that first recognized the United States and still share the longest unbroken treaty relationship in our nation's history. The reason was both countries swore an oath under the Creator.

    The Barbary Treaty 1784

    To all Persons to whom these Presents shall come or be made known- Whereas the United States of America in Congress assembled by their Commission bearing date the twelfth day of May One thousand Seven hundred and Eighty four thought proper to constitute John Adams, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson their Ministers Plenipotentiary, giving to them or a Majority of them full Powers to confer, treat & negotiate with the Ambassador, Minister or Commissioner of His Majesty the Emperor of Morocco concerning a Treaty of Amity and Commerce, to make & receive propositions for such Treaty and to conclude and sign the same, transmitting it to the United States in Congress assembled for their final Ratification, And by one other (commission bearing date the Eleventh day of March One thousand Seven hundred & Eighty five did further empower the said Ministers Plenipotentiary or a majority of them, by writing under the* hands and Seals to appoint such Agent in the said Business as they might think proper with Authority under the directions and Instructions of the said Ministers to commence & prosecute the said Negotiations & Conferences for the said Treaty provided that the said Treaty should be signed by the said Ministers: And Whereas, We the said John Adams & Thomas Jefferson two of the said Ministers Plenipotentiary (the said Benjamin Franklin being absent) by writing under the Hand and Seal of the said John Adams at London October the fifth, One thousand Seven hundred and Eighty five, & of the said Thomas Jefferson at Paris October the Eleventh of the same Year, did appoint Thomas Barclay, Agent in the Business aforesaid, giving him the Powers therein, which by the said second Commission we were authorized to give, and the said Thomas Barclay in pursuance thereof, hath arranged Articles for a Treaty of Amity and Commerce between the United States of America and His Majesty the Emperor of Morocco, which Articles written in the Arabic Language, confirmed by His said Majesty the Emperor of Morocco & seal'd with His Royal Seal, being translated into the Language of the said United States of America, together with the Attestations thereto annexed are in the following Words, To Wit.

    In the name of Almighty God,

    This is a Treaty of Peace and Friendship established between us and the United States of America, which is confirmed, and which we have ordered to be written in this Book and sealed with our Royal Seal at our Court of Morocco on the twenty fifth day of the blessed Month of Shaban, in the Year One thousand two hundred, trusting in God it will remain permanent.

    If you ever come to Washington DC, you are welcome to stay at my home.

  11. I apologize for not responding sooner. I was on vacation with my family. Can you please tell me where the following information can be found.

    The historical record of Muhammad feeding the masses with a handful of dates on one occasion, a pot of milk on another, and enough meat for a small party on still another are equally miraculous. Likewise are the stories of his watering the masses (1,500 people on one occasion) from a single bowl of water. Yet no Muslim claims divinity for Muhammad

    Is the above in Quran? the Hadith?

    You have written twice now that the Holy Spirit is the Angel Jibreel.

    The Holy Spirit is the Angel Jibreel sent by Allah to assist His chosen servants in their divinely ordained missions.


    The Holy Spirit refers to the Angel Jibreel (Gabriel), also known as Jibraaeel; he is the message-bearer par excellence from Allah, the Lord of Glory and Grace; he is also the conduit of divine support and assistance bestowed on Prophets, Messengers as well as righteous people who strive in the path of Allah.

    If the Holy Spirit is the Angel Gabriel as you say, then why is that not plainly written in the Scripture or the Quran so all could understand?

    I read something different. Do you believe that our soul is the Spirit of Allah. Or do you believe that that our soul is part of the Angel Gabriel? I pray that you do not believe the Gabriel is the Angel of Life. That would be considered blasphemy by Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Arius considered the Holy Spirit to be a person or a high-ranking angel.

    Surat As-Sajdah (The Prostration)

    32:9 But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!

    Gabriel does not have the power of life. We both agree that Gabriel is a mighty messenger that gets his power from the Creator just like the prophets do. I have no problem with that.

    Genesis 2

    2:7 The Lord God formed the man from the soil of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

    Jews, Christians, and Muslims believe that our Creator breathed part of His Holy Spirit into man.

    Surat Al-Ĥijr (The Rocky Tract)

    15:28 And lo! Thy Sustainer said unto the angels: "Behold, I am about to create mortal man out of sounding clay, out of dark slime transmuted;

    15:29 and when I have formed him fully and breathed into him of My Spirit, fall down before him in prostration!

    Jews, Christians, and Muslims do not believe that our Creator breathed in the Angel Gabriel into mankind. If that was the case the Quran would state something completely different. It would be:

    And lo! Thy Sustainer said unto the angels: "Behold, I am about to create mortal man out of sounding clay, out of dark slime transmuted;
    and when I have formed man fully and breathed into him of My Angel of Life Gabriel, fall down before him in prostration!"

    If what you say is true, then the the Lord of Life is not the Allah's Holy Spirit, but the Angel Gabriel, then all angels bow down before both man and Gabriel. I pray that you see the blasphemy of your idea. There is only one Creator with many names, but all things are made through Him and in Him.

    I wrote to you before what is written in the Hadith.

    Sahih Muslim
    Sahih Muslim Book 031, Hadith Number 6081.
    Chapter : The merits of Hassan b. Thabit (Allah be pleased with him).

    'Aisha said: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying to Hassin: Verily Ruh-ul-Qudus would continue to help you so long as you put up a defence on behalf of Allah and His Messenger. And she said: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) saying: Hassan satirised against them and gave satisfaction to the (Muslims) and disquieted (the non-Muslims). You satirised Muhammad, but I replied on his behalf, and there is reward with Allah for this. You satirised Muhammad, virtuous, righteous. The Apostle of Allah, whose nature is truthfulness. So verily my father and his father and my honour are a protection to the honour of Muhammad. May I lose my dear daughter, if you don't see her, wiping away the dust from the two sides of Kada', they pull at the rein, going upward. On their shoulders are spears thirsting (for the blood of the enemy); our steeds are sweating-our women wipe them with their mantles. If you had not interfered with us, we would have performed the 'Umra, and (then) there was the Victory, and the darkness cleared away. Otherwise wait for the fighting on the day in which Allah will honour whom He pleases. And Allah said: I have sent a servant who says the Truth in which there is no ambiguity. And Allah said: I have prepared an army-they are the Ansar whose object is fighting (the enemy). There reaches every day from Ma'add abuse, or fighting or satire. Whoever satirises the Apostle from amongst you, or praises him and helps it is all the same. And Gabriel, the Apostle of Allah is among us, and the Holy Spirit who has no match.

    Muḥammad's wife, Aisha, the "Mother of the Believers" was correct. While Angels and Prophets are powerful, they are servants of the Creator get their power from him. And the Creator's Holy Spirit (Power) has no match. Iblis likes to pretend that he all powerful and get people to bow before him. But, Jews, Christians, and Muslims believe the same outcome happens that rebel from the Creator and take power for themselves.

    Ghafir (The Forgiver)

    40:14 So invoke Allah , [being] sincere to Him in religion, although the disbelievers dislike it.

    40:15 [He is] the Exalted above [all] degrees, Owner of the Throne; He places the inspiration of His command upon whom He wills of His servants to warn of the Day of Meeting.


    The Quran states that Jesus was the Messiah to the Jews, but it also states all of the Creator's servants (Angels and Prophets) warn that judgement day is coming and to follow His commands. Jesus mission on earth was the same.


    Jesus Christ, peace be upon him a prophet for Jews only


    Once again, I have shown you through your own Hadith and Quran that that stating Gabriel is the Holy Spirit of Allah is wrong and has no support. And now I show you that stating Jesus was for Jews only has no support. I also firmly believe every prophet of the Creator comes for all mankind.


    And as stated previously. I believe that Islam was born out of the schism between Trinitarian and Arian belief of the Creator.


    My current belief is that Jesus is our Creator's eternal priest, prophet, and king. To know Jesus is to understand his teaching given by our Creator to Love. By leading a righteous life by loving our Creator and our neighbors I hope to conquer death and be glorified just like Jesus and the Jew, Christian, and Muslim Prophets and Saints as brothers and sisters. It is also my hope that you and I will live in eternal Paradise purified of our selfish desires giving glory to our Creator.


    Peace be upon you.

  12. You do a good job citing where Jewish and Christian testimony of Miracles originated. I ask you to do the same for what you state of Mohamed.

    Please cite the following:

    The historical record of Muhammad feeding the masses with a handful of dates on one occasion, a pot of milk on another, and enough meat for a small party on still another are equally miraculous. Likewise are the stories of his watering the masses (1,500 people on one occasion) from a single bowl of water. Yet no Muslim claims divinity for Muhammad

    You are also missing the point of my question. I never stated anywhere about the divination of Jesus. Like Muslims, Christians also believe that miracles are not a recognition of divinity. All the prophets, saints and Jesus understood this.

    I understand what Islam believes. It is quite similar to Christian Arianism that was already believed before and during Mohamed's life. I was discussing the concept of Love and Mercy. This is the title of your topic.

    Both Christians and Muslims believe our Creator is our Lord and Protector.

    Al-Hijr (The Rocky Tract)

    15:86 Indeed, your Lord - He is the Knowing Creator.

    But, you seem to emphasize that Muhammad was greater prophet than Jesus. I wonder what Mohamed would say about that. You believe that Muhammad is the final prophet with the final word, yet you believe also believe in the traditions in Muhammad's miracles. As the cliche states, You cannot have your cake and eat it too.


    Ali 'Imran (Family of Imran)

    3:45 [And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ].


    Jesus was created by God and conceived by Mary. Christians firmly believe this as well. Muslims believe Muhammad was fathered by Abdul-Muttalib ibn Hashim and conceived by Aminah bint Wahb of the Makhzum clan. Christians firmly believe this as well. Muhammad' father, Abdullah, died almost six months before he was born. Aminah sent Muhammad into the desert as a baby. The belief was that in the desert, one would learn self-discipline, nobility, and freedom. This also gave Muhammad the chance to learn Arabic and Arab traditions. During this time, Muhammad was nursed by Halimah bint Abi Dhuayb, a poor Bedouin woman from the tribe of Banu Sa'ad, a branch of the Hawāzin, who would be with him during his time in the desert.


    Ali 'Imran (Family of Imran)

    3:47 She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is.

    Muhammad is buried in the Al-Masjid an-Nabawi ("Mosque of the Prophet") in the city of Medina in Saudi Arabia. As a Muslim you firmly believe this. Christians believe he is dead as well.

    Jesus is not buried. He has been raised and purified in Heaven with our Creator. Christians believe this as well.

    An-Nisa (The Women)

    4:158 Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.

    Islam and Christian Arianism believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but not divine. It was part of the great schism. Modern day Jehovah’s Witnesses also believe that Jesus is not divine.

    Ali 'Imran (Family of Imran)

    3:55 [Mention] when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ.

    The big difference is the belief that our Creator had a son. From what I read, Islam limits our Creator to being like a man in title only. Muslim's consider Father's only men who insert sperm into women and impregnate them with a child.

    Al-An'am (The Cattle) -.

    6:101 [He is] Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a son when He does not have a companion and He created all things? And He is, of all things, Knowing.

    Further, Islam considers it to be an insult to Allah to call Adam, Djinn, or Angels call him Father, that would classify him with a human gender.

    Ebonites were actually even closer to Mohamed than those that Christian Arianism. They regarded Jesus as the Messiah while rejecting his divinity and insisted on the necessity of following Jewish law and rites. Mohamed's cousins, Waraka and Khadija were Ebonites. Waraka acknowledged Mohamed's call to prophecy as authentic because it followed their existing belief.

    Al-'Alaq (The Clot)

    96:1 Recite in the name of your Lord who created -

    96:2 Created man from a clinging substance.

    96:3 Recite, and your Lord is the most Generous -

    96:4 Who taught by the pen -

    96:5 Taught man that which he knew not.

    Muslims, Christians, and Jews know the Creator does not love sinners, but he also does not like he followers that love to do violence.

    Al-Baqarah (The Cow)

    2:190 Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

    Psalm 11

    11:5 The Lord approves of the godly, but he hates the wicked and those who love to do violence.

    Both Jews, Christians, and Muslims believe that our Creator does not like those those that shed innocent blood.

    Proverbs Chapter 6

    16 There are six things which the LORD hates, yea, seven which are an abomination unto Him:

    17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood;

    18 A heart that devises wicked thoughts, feet that are swift in running to evil;

    19 A false witness that breathe out lies, and he that sows discord among brethren

    Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread)

    5:32 Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

    Jesus states that it is the evil practices that the Lord hates, but if one continues to transgress then he will remove life from them.

    Revelation 2

    2:1 “To the angel of the church in Ephesus, write the following:

    “This is the solemn pronouncement of the one who has a firm grasp on the seven stars in his right hand – the one who walks among the seven golden lampstands:

    2:2 ‘I know your works as well as your labor and steadfast endurance, and that you cannot tolerate evil. You have even put to the test those who refer to themselves as apostles (but are not), and have discovered that they are false.

    2:3 I am also aware that you have persisted steadfastly, endured much for the sake of my name, and have not grown weary.

    2:4 But I have this against you: You have departed from your first love!

    2:5 Therefore, remember from what high state you have fallen and repent! Do the deeds you did at the first; if not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place – that is, if you do not repent.

    2:6 But you do have this going for you:

    You hate what the Nicolaitans practice – practices I also hate.

    2:7 The one who has an ear had better hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers, I will permit him to eat from the tree of life that is in the paradise of God.’

    Revelation 2

    2:14 But I have a few things against you: You have some people there who follow the teaching of Balaam, who instructed Balak to put a stumbling block before the people of Israel so they would eat food sacrificed to idols and commit sexual immorality.

    2:15 In the same way, there are also some among you who follow the teaching of the Nicolaitans [Etymology - conquerors of the lay people. spiritual descendants of Deacon Nicolas of Antioch].

    2:16 Therefore, repent! If not, I will come against you quickly and make war against those people with the sword of my mouth.

    Do you believe that Allah gives mercy to all those that request it without preconditions? Do you believe that Muslims should give mercy to all those that request it without preconditions?

    I also ask you to please use your own words in this response, so I can cite you.

  13. It is great that you discuss the miracles of that Jesus did through the power of the Creator. But, what is more important, is His teaching on How to Love the Creator and your neighbor. Without love (light) there is only hate (darkness).

  14. Jeremiah 7


    7:21 The Lord said to the people of Judah, “The Lord God of Israel who rules over all says: ‘You might as well go ahead and add the meat of your burnt offerings to that of the other sacrifices and eat it, too!


    7:22 Consider this:


    When I spoke to your ancestors after I brought them out of Egypt, I did not merely give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices.


    7:23 I also explicitly commanded them:


    “Obey me. If you do, I will be your God and you will be my people. Live exactly the way I tell you and things will go well with you.”


    7:24 But they did not listen to me or pay any attention to me. They followed the stubborn inclinations of their own wicked hearts. They acted worse and worse instead of better.


    7:25 From the time your ancestors departed the land of Egypt until now, I sent my servants the prophets to you again and again, day after day.


    7:26 But your ancestors did not listen to me nor pay attention to me. They became obstinate and were more wicked than even their own forefathers.’”


    7:27 Then the Lord said to me, “When you tell them all this, they will not listen to you. When you call out to them, they will not respond to you.


    7:28 So tell them:


    This is a nation that has not obeyed the Lord their God and has not accepted correction. Faithfulness is nowhere to be found in it. These people do not even profess it anymore.


    7:29 So, mourn, you people of this nation. Cut off your hair and throw it away. Sing a song of mourning on the hilltops. For the Lord has decided to reject and forsake this generation that has provoked his wrath!’”

    1. AND now Caesar, upon hearing the death of Festus, sent Albinus into Judea, as procurator. But the king deprived Joseph of the high priesthood, and bestowed the succession to that dignity on the son of Ananus, who was also himself called Ananus. Now the report goes that this eldest Ananus proved a most fortunate man; for he had five sons who had all performed the office of a high priest to God, and who had himself enjoyed that dignity a long time formerly, which had never happened to any other of our high priests. But this younger Ananus, who, as we have told you already, took the high priesthood, was a bold man in his temper, and very insolent; he was also of the sect of the Sadducees, who are very rigid in judging offenders, above all the rest of the Jews, as we have already observed; when, therefore, Ananus was of this disposition, he thought he had now a proper opportunity [to exercise his authority]. Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done; they also sent to the king [Agrippa], desiring him to send to Ananus that he should act so no more, for that what he had already done was not to be justified; nay, some of them went also to meet Albinus, as he was upon his journey from Alexandria, and informed him that it was not lawful for Ananus to assemble a sanhedrim without his consent.[24] Whereupon Albinus complied with what they said, and wrote in anger to Ananus, and threatened that he would bring him to punishment for what he had done; on which king Agrippa took the high priesthood from him, when he had ruled but three months, and made Jesus, the son of Damneus, high priest.

    Jesus also revealed the concept of God's Love for a repentant heart who puts faith in His mercy. And God's disdain for the self righteous who lack empathy for others.


    Luke 7


    7:36 Now one of the Pharisees asked Jesus to have dinner with him, so He went into the Pharisee’s house and took his place at the table.


    7:37 Then when a woman of that town, who was a sinner, learned that Jesus was dining at the Pharisee’s house, she brought an alabaster jar of perfumed oil.


    7:38 As she stood behind him at his feet, weeping, she began to wet His feet with her tears. She wiped them with her hair, kissed them, and anointed them with the perfumed oil.


    7:39 Now when the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would know who and what kind of woman this is who is touching him, that she is a sinner.


    7:40 So Jesus answered him,“Simon, I have something to say to you.” He replied, "Say it, Teacher."


    7:41 “A certain creditor had two debtors; one owed him five hundred silver coins, and the other fifty.


    7:42 When they could not pay, he canceled the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?”


    7:43 Simon answered, “I suppose the one who had the bigger debt canceled.” Jesus said to him, “You have judged rightly.”


    7:44 Then, turning toward the woman, he said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I entered your house. You gave me no water for my feet, but she has wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair.


    7:45 You gave me no kiss of greeting, but from the time I entered she has not stopped kissing my feet.


    7:46 You did not anoint my head with oil, but she has anointed my feet with perfumed oil.


    7:47 Therefore I tell you, her sins, which were many, are forgiven, thus she loved much; but the one who is forgiven little loves little.


    7:48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.


    7:49 But those who were at the table with him began to say among themselves, “Who is this, who even forgives sins?


    7:50 He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

    John 7


    7:37 On the last day of the feast, the greatest day, 101 Jesus stood up and shouted out, 102 “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me, and 7:38 let the one who believes in me drink. 103 Just as the scripture says, ‘From within him 104 will flow rivers of living water.’” 105 7:39 (Now he said this about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were going to receive, for the Spirit had not yet been given, 106 because Jesus was not yet glorified.)



    The 39th Festal Letter of Athanasius, written for Easter of AD 367, is of particular interest as regards the biblical canon moving away from the Didache.


    Athanasius: Select Works and Letters


    4. There are, then, of the Old Testament, twenty-two books in number; for, as I have heard, it is handed down that this is the number of the letters among the Hebrews; their respective order and names being as follows. The first is Genesis, then Exodus, next Leviticus, after that Numbers, and then Deuteronomy. Following these there is Joshua, the son of Nun, then Judges, then Ruth. And again, after these four books of Kings, the first and second being reckoned as one book, and so likewise the third and fourth as one book. And again, the first and second of the Chronicles are reckoned as one book. Again Ezra, the first and second are similarly one book. After these there is the book of Psalms, then the Proverbs, next Ecclesiastes, and the Song of Songs. Job follows, then the Prophets, the twelve being reckoned as one book. Then Isaiah, one book, then Jeremiah with Baruch, Lamentations, and4545 the epistle, one book; afterwards, Ezekiel and Daniel, each one book. Thus far constitutes the Old Testament.


    5. Again it is not tedious to speak of the [books] of the New Testament. These are, the four Gospels, according to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Afterwards, the Acts of the Apostles and Epistles (called Catholic), seven, viz. of James, one; of Peter, two; of John, three; after these, one of Jude. In addition, there are fourteen Epistles of Paul, written in this order. The first, to the Romans; then two to the Corinthians; after these, to the Galatians; next, to the Ephesians; then to the Philippians; then to the Colossians; after these, two to the Thessalonians, and that to the Hebrews; and again, two to Timothy; one to Titus; and lastly, that to Philemon. And besides, the Revelation of John.


    6. These are fountains of salvation, that they who thirst may be satisfied with the living words they contain. In these alone is proclaimed the doctrine of godliness. Let no man add to these, neither let him take ought from these. For concerning these the Lord put to shame the Sadducees, and said, ‘Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures.’ And He reproved the Jews, saying, ‘Search the Scriptures, for these are they that testify of Me.’


    7. But for greater exactness I add this also, writing of necessity; that there are other books besides these not indeed included in the Canon, but appointed by the Fathers to be read by those who newly join us, and who wish for instruction in the word of godliness. The Wisdom of Solomon, and the Wisdom of Sirach, and Esther, and Judith, and Tobit, and that which is called the Teaching of the Apostles, and the Shepherd. But the former, my brethren, are included in the Canon, the latter being [merely] read; nor is there in any place a mention of apocryphal writings. But they are an invention of heretics, who write them when they choose, bestowing upon them their approbation, and assigning to them a date, that so, using them as ancient writings, they may find occasion to lead astray the simple.

    Saint Athanasius of Alexandria (Ἀθανάσιος Ἀλεξανδρείας, Athanásios Alexandrías; c. 296–298 – 2 May 373), also called Athanasius the Great, Athanasius the Confessor or, primarily in the Coptic Orthodox Church, Athanasius the Apostolic, was the twentieth bishop of Alexandria (as Athanasius I). His episcopate lasted 45 years (c. 8 June 328 – 2 May 373), of which over 17 were spent in five exiles ordered by four different Roman emperors. Athanasius is a renowned Christian theologian, a Church Father, the chief defender of Trinitarianism against Arianism, and a noted Egyptian leader of the fourth century.


    Conflict with Arius and Arianism as well as successive Roman emperors shaped Athanasius's career. In 325, at the age of 27, Athanasius began his leading role against the Arians as a deacon and assistant to Bishop Alexander of Alexandria during the First Council of Nicaea. Roman emperor Constantine the Great had convened the council in May–August 325 to address the Arian position that the Son of God, Jesus of Nazareth, is of a distinct substance from the Father. Three years after that council, Athanasius succeeded his mentor as archbishop of Alexandria. In addition to the conflict with the Arians (including powerful and influential Arian churchmen led by Eusebius of Nicomedia), he struggled against the Emperors Constantine, Constantius II, Julian the Apostate and Valens. He was known as "Athanasius Contra Mundum" (Latin for Athanasius Against the World).



  15. In the First Council with the Apostles, Saint James revealed the prophecy that Jesus divine mission is to unite both Messianic Jews and Christian Gentiles into the House of David. After the Ascension of Jesus Christ, both Jews and Gentiles began to fulfill the prophecy by turning away from the darkness of sin to the light of righteous. Through the power of the Holy Spirit it was agreed upon to create the first cannon for Gentile believers in Jesus Christ living in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia on how to properly love God. (Acts 12:12 - 17, Galatians 1:19 -20, Acts 15:13 - 29. Acts 21:17 - 24)

    Acts 21

    15:13 After they stopped speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me.

    15:14 Simeon [Peter's Jewish Aramaic name] has explained how God first concerned Himself to select from among the Gentiles a people for His name.

    15:15 The words of the prophets agree with this, as it is written,

    15:16 ‘After this I will return,
    and I will rebuild the fallen tent of David;
    I will rebuild its ruins and restore it,

    [Amos 9:11 “In that day I will rebuild the collapsing hut of David.
    I will seal its gaps,
    repair its ruins,
    and restore it to what it was like in days gone by.
    9:12 As a result they will conquer those left in Edom
    and all the nations subject to my rule.”
    The Lord, who is about to do this, is speaking!
    9:13 “Be sure of this, the time is coming,” says the Lord,
    “when the plowman will catch up to the reaper
    and the one who stomps the grapes will overtake the planter.
    Juice will run down the slopes,
    it will flow down all the hillsides.
    9:14 I will bring back my people, Israel;
    they will rebuild the cities lying in rubble and settle down.
    They will plant vineyards and drink the wine they produce;
    they will grow orchards and eat the fruit they produce.
    9:15 I will plant them on their land
    and they will never again be uprooted from the land I have given them,”
    says the Lord your God.
    15:17 so that the rest of humanity may seek the Lord,
    namely, all the Gentiles I have called to be my own,’ says the Lord, who makes these things

    15:18 known from long ago.

    15:19 “Therefore I conclude that we should not cause extra difficulty for those among the Gentiles who are turning to God,

    15:20 but that we should write them a letter telling them to abstain from things defiled by idols and from sexual immorality and from what has been strangled and from blood.

    15:21 For Moses has had those who proclaim him in every town from ancient times, because he is read aloud in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

    15:22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to send men chosen from among them, Judas called Barsabbas and Silas, leaders among the brothers, to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas.

    15:23 They sent this letter with them:

    From the apostles and elders, your brothers, to the Gentile brothers and sisters in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia, greetings!

    15:24 Since we have heard that some have gone out from among us with no orders from us and have confused you, upsetting your minds by what they said,

    15:25 we have unanimously decided to choose men to send to you along with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul,

    15:26 who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    15:27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas who will tell you these things themselves in person.

    15:28 For it seemed best to the Holy Spirit and to us not to place any greater burden on you than these necessary rules:

    15:29 that you abstain from meat that has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what has been strangled and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from doing these things, you will do well. Farewell.

    According to modern day Jewish rabbis, the first cannon given by the Apostles and the Holy Spirit to gentiles was a revision of already established Jewish laws for Proselyte Gentiles regarding the admission into Israel's community according to the Torah. The Ger toshav (righteous gentile) has always been welcomed in the Jewish community and is believed by Jews to be assured of a place in the World to Come (Olam Haba). Some modern Jewish religious organizations have been particularly active in promoting the Seven Laws, notably the Chabad-Lubavitch movement (whose late leader, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, launched the global Noahide Campaign), groups affiliated with Dor Daim.

    The Seven Noachide Laws

    Do Not Deny God
    Do Not
    Blaspheme God
    Do Not
    Do Not Engage in Incestuous, Adulterous or Homosexual Relationships.
    Do Not Steal
    Do Not Eat of a Live Animal
    Establish Courts/Legal System to Ensure
    Law Obedience

    While Peter and the Apostles spread Good News according to Jesus Christ across the globe, James stayed and governed the new Christian Church in Jerusalem and converted many Jews coming to worship at the temple to Jesus Christ. Using the Torah and the words of the Prophets, James was able preach how evil tempts the pride of ones desires away from the truth of eternal life and gives birth to death.

    Like other prophets before him, James 'the Just' was considered a holy man to both Messianic and Non Messianic Jews. James did not drink alcohol, and was vegetarian. Unlike the other disciples of Jesus Christ, Eusebius states James alone was able to enter the temple of God in Jerusalem to worship and pray.

    The Church History of Eusebius

    Book II.

    Chapter XXIII.—The Martyrdom of James, who was called the Brother of the Lord.

    4. “James, the brother of the Lord, succeeded to the government of the Church in conjunction with the Apostles. He has been called 'the Just' by all from the time of our Savior to the present day; for there were many that bore the name of James.

    5. He was holy from his mother’s womb; and he drank no wine nor strong drink, nor did he eat flesh. No razor came upon his head; he did not anoint himself with oil, and he did not use the bath

    6. He alone was permitted to enter into the Holy Place; for he wore not woolen but linen garments. And he was in the habit of entering alone into the Temple, and was frequently found upon his knees begging forgiveness for the people, so that his knees became hard like those of a camel, in consequence of his constantly bending them in his worship of God, and asking forgiveness for the people.

    7. Because of his exceeding great justice he was called the Just, and Oblias, which signifies in Greek, ‘Bulwark of the people’ and ‘Justice,’ in accordance with what the prophets declare concerning him.


    James understood that both the saved and the damned know know of our Creator and Savior is one God. But, Salvation comes from our understanding and following the Royal Law of Love taught by both our Creator and His son, our Lord Jesus Christ. Damnation comes from the rebellious that ignore the Royal Law of Love and judge others with hate and no mercy.

    James 2

    2:1 My brothers and sisters, do not show prejudice if you possess faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ.

    2:2 For if someone comes into your assembly wearing a gold ring and fine clothing, and a poor person enters in filthy clothes,

    2:3 do you pay attention to the one who is finely dressed and say, “You sit here in a good place,” and to the poor person, “You stand over there,” or “Sit on the floor”?

    2:4 If so, have you not made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil motives?

    2:5 Listen, my dear brothers and sisters! Did not God choose the poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom that he promised to those who love him?

    2:6 But you have dishonored the poor! Are not the rich oppressing you and dragging you into the courts?

    2:7 Do they not blaspheme the good name of the one you belong to?

    2:8 But if you fulfill the royal law as expressed in this scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well.

    2:9 But if you show prejudice, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as violators.

    2:10 For the one who obeys the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.

    2:11 For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a violator of the law.

    2:12 Speak and act as those who will be judged by a law that gives freedom.

    2:13 For judgment is merciless for the one who has shown no mercy. But mercy triumphs over judgment.

    2:14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but does not have works? Can this kind of faith save him?

    2:15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacks daily food,

    2:16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm and eat well,” but you do not give them what the body needs, what good is it?

    2:17 So also faith, if it does not have works, is dead being by itself.

    2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith without works and I will show you faith by my works.

    2:19 You believe that God is one; well and good. Even the demons believe that – and tremble with fear.

    2:20 But would you like evidence, you empty fellow, that faith without works is useless?

    2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?

    2:22 You see that his faith was working together with his works and his faith was perfected by works.

    2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Now Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend.

    2:24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

    2:25 And similarly, was not Rahab the prostitute also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by another way?

    2:26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.


    Paul understood respected James authority and mission to convert Jews to Jesus. Both Paul and James were once esteemed members in the Jewish community that were humbled by Lord's atonement of mankind through the law of Moses, which has redeemed all of us of our transgression before we knew him. Faith (Trust) in God results in righteousness for both Jews and Gentiles. Salvation comes from our understanding and following the Royal Law of Love.

    Paul and James testify to both Jews and Gentiles, that if we continue to willfully transgress (sin) after we know the truth about putting love and good works over the afflictions of the flesh, then our punishment from God will be far worse than the Jews judged without mercy under the old covenant given to Moses. Talmudic scholar Daniel Boyarin has argued that Paul's theology of the spirit is more deeply rooted in Hellenistic Judaism than generally believed. In "A Radical Jew: Paul and the Politics of Identity", Boyarin argues that Paul combined the life of Jesus with Greek philosophy to reinterpret the Hebrew Bible in terms of the Platonic duelist opposition between the ideal (which is real) and the material (which is false). I would argue that like the other Apostles Saint Paul explained the New Covenant in terms Hellenistic Jews could understand.

    Textus Receptus Hebrews 10

    19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
    20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
    21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
    22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
    23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for He is faithful that promised;)
    24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
    25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
    26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
    27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
    28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
    29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
    30 For we know Him that hath said, Vengeance belongs unto Me, I will recompense, says the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
    31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
    32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;
    33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.
    34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in Heaven a better and an enduring substance.
    35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
    36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
    37 For yet a little while, and He that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
    38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
    [Habbak 2:4 Look, the one whose desires are not upright will faint from exhaustion, but the person of integrity will live because of his faithfulness.]
    39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.


    Paul does proclaim God will judge each one of us according to our works following truth or unrighteousness. Through Jesus Christ, God will judge Jews according to the law he gave to them by Moses. Then Jesus will judge the Gentiles that did not know of Him according to their conscience. If a Gentile is following Jewish law, Jesus will judge them according to the Law given to Moses. If a Gentile is a Christian, then He will judge them according to the new Law of Love.

    Romans 2 Codex Sinaticus

    2:5 ...according to thy hardness and impenitent heart, thou dost treasure up for thyself wrath in a day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
    6 who will render to each one according to his works;
    7 to those that, by perseverance in good work, seek for glory and honor and incorruptibility, eternal life;
    8 but to those that are of party-spirit, and obey not the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation shall be rendered.
    9 Affliction and anguish shall be on every soul of man that works out that which is evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Greek;
    10 but glory and honor and peace to every one that works that which is good, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
    11 For there is no acceptance of persons with God.
    12 For as many as sinned without law shall also perish without law; and as many as sinned under the law shall be judged by the law;
    13 for not the hearers of law are righteous before God, but the doers of law shall be declared righteous.
    14 For whenever Gentiles, that have no law, do by nature the things of the law, these, not having law, are a law to themselves:
    15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing testimony, and their reasoning between one another bringing accusation, or also making excuse
    16 in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men through Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
    17 But if thou art named Jew, and restest on the law, and makes thy boast in God,
    18 and knows His will, and proves things that differ, being instructed out of the law;
    19 and art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light to those that are in darkness,
    20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and of truth in the law:
    21 thou, then, that teaches another, teaches not thou thyself? Thou that preaches that men should not steal, dost thou steal?
    22 Thou that says that men should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? Thou that abhors idols, dost thou rob temples?
    23 Thou that makes thy boast in the law, through transgression of the law dishonor thou God?
    24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you, as it is written.
    25 For circumcision indeed profits if thou keep the law; but if thou be a transgressor of law, thy circumcision has become uncircumcision.
    26 If, then, the uncircumcision keep the judgments of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
    27 And that which is by birth uncircumcision, if it keep the law, will judge thee, who with letter and circumcision art a transgressor of law.
    28 For he is not a Jew that is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh;
    29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in spirit, not in letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God.




    The Church History of Eusebius

    Book II.

    Chapter XXIII.—The Martyrdom of James, who was called the Brother of the Lord.

    8. Now some of the seven sects, which existed among the people and which have been mentioned by me in the Memoirs, asked him, ‘What is the gate of Jesus?’and he replied that He [Jesus] was the Savior.

    9. On account of these words some believed that Jesus is the Christ. But the sects mentioned above did not believe either in a resurrection or in one’s coming to give to every man according to his works. But as many as believed did so on account of James.

    10. Therefore when many even of the rulers believed, there was a commotion among the Jews and Scribes and Pharisees, who said that there was danger that the whole people would be looking for Jesus as the Christ. Coming therefore in a body to James they said, ‘We entreat thee, restrain the people; for they are gone astray in regard to Jesus, as if he were the Christ. We entreat thee to persuade all that have come to the feast of the Passover concerning Jesus; for we all have confidence in thee. For we bear thee witness, as do all the people, that thou art just, and dost not respect persons.

    11. Do thou therefore persuade the multitude not to be led astray concerning Jesus. For the whole people, and all of us also, have confidence in thee. Stand therefore upon the pinnacle of the temple, that from that high position you may be clearly seen, and that thy words may be readily heard by all the people. For all the tribes, with the Gentiles also, are come together on account of the Passover.’

    12. The aforesaid Scribes and Pharisees therefore placed James upon the pinnacle of the temple, and cried out to him and said: ‘You just one, in whom we ought all to have confidence, for as much as the people are led astray after Jesus, the crucified one, declare to us, what is the gate of Jesus.’

    13. And he answered with a loud voice, ‘Why do you ask me concerning Jesus, the Son of Man? He himself sits in heaven at the right hand of the great Power, and is about to come upon the clouds of Heaven.’
    14. And when many were fully convinced and gloried in the testimony of James, and said, ‘Hosanna to the Son of David,’ these same Scribes and Pharisees said again to one another, ‘We have done badly in supplying such testimony to Jesus. But let us go up and throw him down, in order that they may be afraid to believe him.’

    15. And they cried out, saying, ‘Oh! oh! the just man is also in error.And they fulfilled the Scripture written in Isaiah,Let us take away the just man, because he is troublesome to us: therefore they shall eat the fruit of their doings.

    16. So they went up and threw down the just man, and said to each other, ‘Let us stone James the Just.’ And they began to stone him, for he was not killed by the fall; but he turned and knelt down and said, ‘I entreat thee, Lord God our Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.’

    17. And while they were thus stoning him one of the priests of the sons of Rechab, the son of the Rechabites, who are mentioned by Jeremiah the prophet, cried out, saying, ‘Cease, what you do! The just one prays for you.’

    18. And one of them, who was a fuller, took the club with which he beat out clothes and struck the just man on the head. And thus he suffered martyrdom. And they buried him on the spot, by the temple, and his monument still remains by the temple. He became a true witness, both to Jews and Greeks, that Jesus is the Christ. And immediately Vespasian besieged them.”

    19. These things are related at length by Hegesippus, who is in agreement with Clement. James was so admirable a man and so celebrated among all for his justice, that the more sensible even of the Jews were of the opinion that this was the cause of the siege of Jerusalem, which happened to them immediately after his martyrdom for no other reason than their daring act against him.

    20. Josephus, at least, has not hesitated to testify this in his writings, where he says, “These things happened to the Jews to avenge James the Just, who was a brother of Jesus, that is called the Christ. For the Jews slew him, although he was a most just man.”

    21. And the same writer records his death also in the twentieth book of his Antiquities in the following words: “But the emperor, when he learned of the death of Festus, sent Albinus to be procurator of Judea. But the younger Ananus, who, as we have already said, had obtained the high priesthood, was of an exceedingly bold and reckless disposition. He belonged, moreover, to the sect of the Sadducees, who are the most cruel of all the Jews in the execution of judgment, as we have already shown.




    The Shepherd of Hermas mentions a Clement whose office it was to communicate with other churches; most likely, this is a reference to Clement I.

    The narrative is addressed to James the Just, the Bishop of Jerusalem, and is related in the voice of Clement himself. He begins by detailing his religious questionings, his doubts about immortality, his love for celibacy, and so on. Clement hears at Rome the preaching of a man of Judea who relates the miracles of Christ. R identifies this man as Barnabas; H does not provide a name. Clement defends this speaker from the mob, and follows him to Palestine.

    Epistle of Clement to James

    When the Apostles were martyred in their steadfast Love of God and mankind, their personal testimony of Jesus, the Didache, and most importantly the Holy Spirit remained with the Church body to help communicate the Living Word of God of love and avoid hate. The Didache became a well known guide that was cited frequently by the early Christian Patriarchs Athanasius, Didymus, and Eusebius, and Serapion of Thmuis as the Christian Church spread to Antioch, Rome, and Alexandria. From my research I speculate that Hellenistic Jews in these areas were absorbed into Christianity. Further I speculate that these Hellenistic Christians came into conflict with Traditional Jewish Christians that still believed in following the revised Mosaic law found in the Didache given by the Apostles.